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DO gamers want piracy?

Gamers DO want piracy. 11 61.11%
 
Gamers do NOT want piracy. 7 38.89%
 
Total:18
Frogger said:
Tober said:

If Pirating is OK, then everyone should do it right? But if everyone Pirates, who's going to buy games? No one? Then no games are going to be made.

Pirates know this. They hope there are paying gamers out there, so games keep being made for them to Pirate.
Essentially Pirates leach off those that do pay.

Yes, if piracy is okay, then it's okay if everyone does it. If everyone pirates, no one buys games.

It does not follow that if no one buys games though, that no one will make games. That assumes the false premise that games can only be made if people buy them, but that's not true. Fan games exist, people make games for free, and patronage models exist where people commission art. What piracy destroys is the reproduction market. What it doesn't touch is the first production market. Kickstarter and patreon proves this. If a game people want won't get made unless the person making the came makes X amount of money, and there is demand for X amount of money for that game to merely exist, then that supply of 1 meets the demand of Z and the game gets made.

Tober: Ok it will kill only 99.9% of the gaming industry then. Not as bad as I thought.

rapsuperstar31 said:

I think if someone is religious, the fear of "thou shall not steal" would be a deterrent. Sure they could hide behind a vpn, but they can't hide anything from St Peter.

Piracy isn't theft, though: it's copying. For something to be theft, one person loses something and the other person gains something. With piracy, no one loses anything and the other person gains something.

Tober: We wouldn't call it Pirating if it wasn't thieving.

Imagine you write a book. It takes you 5 years of your life. You find a publisher that agrees to print 10K copies and it'll make it to the book store priced $20. The publisher promises that if the book is a success, then more printruns will be made.

Then I come in buy one copy and it take it to my copying machine. I'll print a million copies and sell them for $2. I make loads of money and can claim you haven't lost anything, so its not stealing. 

Then your publisher will say there will not be another print run, because my copies have satisfied all the demand already.

Copy rights exist for a reason. Because yes you'd loose something if someone pirates it.



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With all due respect. I am fully in favor of pirating exclusives.
Nintendo and Sony should bring their games to PC and ensure the public has the freedom to choose their hardware.



If bought digital is not owning piracy is not stealing.



 

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xl-klaudkil said:

If bought digital is not owning piracy is not stealing.

A bad thing cannot be made right by another bad thing.

Fix the bad thing.



Tober said:
xl-klaudkil said:

If bought digital is not owning piracy is not stealing.

A bad thing cannot be made right by another bad thing.

Fix the bad thing.

Good luck telling that to sony,mic and ninty(in a lesser degree)



 

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xl-klaudkil said:

If bought digital is not owning piracy is not stealing.

I'm assuming you're being sarcastic, but just in case you're actually serious: the definition of piracy remains the same whether it be of an ownable item (like an NFT) or access (like a service, pass, subscription, or license).



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xl-klaudkil said:
Tober said:

A bad thing cannot be made right by another bad thing.

Fix the bad thing.

Good luck telling that to sony,mic and ninty(in a lesser degree)

The thing with legislation is, it always trails reality a few years. But eventually it will catch up.



Me pirating a copy of Super Mario Bros. on the NES, and sleeping soundly knowing that a Nintendo employee won't be eating dinner that night.



"Just for comparison Uncharted 4 was 20x bigger than Splatoon 2. This shows the huge difference between Sony's first-party games and Nintendo's first-party games."

Tober said:

If games were free it would only kill 99,99% of the biggest studios, but not 99,99% of the industry. It's the same with music. How many music is produced and make virtually zero profit? Many music artists started putting their first songs on SoundCloud and other free streaming services 

Think about how many artists still making draws and paiting for virtually zero profit

I believe this would make games go back to the scope, size and technical level they were in the early 2000s, but that's it 

I'd still patronage games regularly, and I believe enough people would still do it. Not enough for make AAA games, but enough for A games. I honestly wouldn't mind the change

There is also an argument about games being culture, there are alternatives to some level of state funded software development. In my country this is how many of our cultural industry survives



With physical media - it's more about being untethered by the whims of a corporation tinkering with the content in some way or cutting it off or you being at the mercy of the internet or cloud, etc.. Especially when things like licensing issues, DRM, censorship, etc have become more prominent in many ways. Many gamers like to know that they have a tangible, concrete piece of content that cannot be altered/tampered with/yanked away, no updates to worry about, etc. Provided they have the - A. software and B. hardware to play it on, and that's all they need forever. Often not even needing access to the internet. Obviously the content is "digital" stored on a disc, but that's irrelevant, as least when applied to the argument and reasoning I see here. It's still far more untethered from any outside forces and more completely "owned" in the physical sense.

Most of my games these days are digital just for the sake of convenience and/or cheaper deals, though in principle or from an ideological standpoint I much prefer and support physical still. Plus I enjoy the physical collection aspect, of just being able to see the content stored in your space.



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