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CaptainExplosion said:
sc94597 said:

Because people are not organized. Instead they're going to the internet and posting complaints there. They need to organize in real life. Nothing is going to change by complaining on the internet. 

Edit: As things get more dire, people will become a bit more serious, I hope. 

They're dire enough. We need to encourage organization NOW.

Nobody is stopping you! Just saying... you seem to be the one in this forum who has the biggest problem with this and even fear that humanity will end but yet you seem to do nothing except for forum posts. I might be wrong but at least it sounds like that. 

And before you will say "I can't change anything on my own" like you said yesterday - there always has to be one who will start a change and even if the chance that you will be able to do it will be 1/1000000 it still should be you trying it if you really take this as serious as you say. 

Most organized protests and stuff like that even start in some forums or chats nowadays so that you can also do it like that but just posting here won't do that.



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crissindahouse said:
CaptainExplosion said:

They're dire enough. We need to encourage organization NOW.

Nobody is stopping you! Just saying... you seem to be the one in this forum who has the biggest problem with this and even fear that humanity will end but yet you seem to do nothing except for forum posts. I might be wrong but at least it sounds like that. 

And before you will say "I can't change anything on my own" like you said yesterday - there always has to be one who will start a change and even if the chance that you will be able to do it will be 1/1000000 it still should be you trying it if you really take this as serious as you say. 

Most organized protests and stuff like that even start in some forums or chats nowadays so that you can also do it like that but just posting here won't do that.

Because I need help, and I don't know how to get the strike going without it leading to chaos.



sc94597 said:

While workers still have labor power they need to form soliditarian associations that with-hold labor until demands/protections are met. That's the first step.

While some jobs will be resilient, how are they going to exist without consumer demand? Even people who are still employable will be affected by this decrease. 

Even if your goal is to get rid of AI data centers you're not going to be able to do it with capitalism still the present socio-economic system. It needs to be displaced to achieve that goal. 

Full automation of labor would impose massive deflationary pressures and very large consumption discount rates, so the impact is overwhelmingly going to be concentrated in those whose income stems entirely from their labor.

Even a little in the way of savings or another form of income goes a long way here, though it's hard to predict much beyond that. Our current economic theories make zero sense when labor is fully decoupled from capital (or, rather, comes entirely from it).



 

 

 

 

 

sc94597 said:
Eagle367 said:

I think its still an insult to make the comparisons. For one, i don't buy this is some revolution. I think its gonna dominate the cycle, ruin lives and slowly fade away as only the somewhat useful tools continue to exist. Most will die or be some novelty apps about this era in time. I don't buy the hype.

What is your explanation for stagnant hiring of entry-level knowledge workers? Do you think it is all outsourcing? 

I call it employers buying the hype and it ruining lives. Read again. It will do the shit it will do and mostly fade away. People of the future will wonder why we didn't put a stop to it. And the time frame is not necessarily short. Our lives are gonna be affected by this nonsense throughout.  But I don't buy the hype. The real danger is people being lazy trying to save money or make a quick buck, coming forcing this on employees and consumers and overfinancialization. 



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curl-6 said:
Norion said:

It being overall a good or bad thing is a different discussion though. My issue here was the implication in that post that the investment in AI is bringing no benefits when that is very clearly not the case. It'd be the same if someone said AI is causing no negatives, that would also be an absurd thing to say.

To get into that discussion though I do think there's a reasonable debate to be had over if the benefits or negatives are bigger right now so don't think it's as clear cut as you're saying. Me and SC have gone into various use cases in past posts in the thread and in general the benefits are already big and on my end the tech has overall improved my life so far. So many people are using it now to do things like help plan vacations and make their workflows more efficient so a lot of people are already getting a lot of value out of it.

I can't speak for shadow1980, but perhaps he/she feels any benefits are negligible in comparison to the downsides.

People planned vacations or impoved their workflows for centuries without AI. People wrote code for decades without AI. People wrote, composed, and painted/drew for millennia without AI. Nobody needs generative AI, we all got on just fine without it only a few short years ago. Outsourcing one's thinking and work to it simply makes people lazy, reduces the quality and value of the end result, and erodes critical thinking skills.

And there is proof its rotting the brains of our youth. Studies have been done about this.



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curl-6 said:
Norion said:

Everyone knows the benefits of the internet existing so I won't go into them but without it I never would've met my boyfriend and a lot of my close friends so the perspective that it's been largely detrimental is wild to me. I think anyone who feels that way is taking the benefits of it for granted and is overly focusing on the negatives. And it is a matter of debate yeah, that's why I've been bringing up various use cases as a way to show how the technology is already having significant benefits since the positives often go unnoticed compared to the negatives.

In general a lot of this is that a ton of the benefits are a future thing. Like the technology is already doing massive things like helping out medical research, scientific research in general and letting self driving cars be developed so huge future benefits are already baked in at this point so for me I'm taking that into account in my perspective of it. While just how exactly impactful AI will become is up in the air it's already clear that it's gonna help save a lot of lives and prevent a lot of suffering in the future and that's easily worth all the current negatives. Since a lot of the current positives are more in the background so aren't directly impacting most people yet a way to think of this is it's like going through some discomfort for a period of time to reap a ton of rewards later on.

If AI is already causing numerous problems from mass layoffs to stealing people's works to the enshittification of the internet, how do we know it won't get worse and worse rather than better over time?

Is a world of digital and political dystopia under the boot of AI systems and the billionaires and politicians who control them really worth self driving cars?

Mass layoffs only need to be a temporary issue. A world where all the work required to keep society running is being taken care of by AI systems and robots letting people do whatever they want with their time would make concepts like unemployment rate not matter any more. Governments are gonna need to be ready to handle the period between now and then though.

In general there are indeed future concerns like authoritarian regimes using the technology to crack down on dissent and entrench their rule but overall I very much expect the good to outweigh the bad since the good stuff that's already baked in is massive and that sort of world I mentioned is such a strong end goal that I really think something as disastrous as a Skynet sort of scenario would have to happen for the bad to outweigh the good long term.



Norion said:

It's not a potential thing as SC has gone into in other posts, it's already been helping out the medical field in the past few years. For what benefits to society can arise there's causing huge strides in medical research and scientific research in general, self driving cars becoming the norm and robots helping care for the elderly and disabled for a few big ones. Just those things alone will prevent ten's of millions deaths every year alongside a multitude of other huge benefits.
For banning it that's of course completely unrealistic but even disregarding that it's not a sensible position cause of those major applications. As I said in another post if you don't like ways it's being used right now then pushing for regulation is a far better approach. 
curl-6 said:

I'd contend that the evidence is overwhelming that AI is terrible for the world and society, so saying it's a good thing is akin to saying the Earth is flat.

Just a few years ago the world got along perfectly fine without AI, and in a short space of time it's done immense damage, from the enshittification of the internet to mass layoffs to deepfake CP/Revenge porn, to the erosion of critical thinking skills, and so on. 

We simply don't need it and it causes more problems than it solves.

It being overall a good or bad thing is a different discussion though. My issue here was the implication in that post that the investment in AI is bringing no benefits when that is very clearly not the case. It'd be the same if someone said AI is causing no negatives, that would also be an absurd thing to say.

To get into that discussion though I do think there's a reasonable debate to be had over if the benefits or negatives are bigger right now so don't think it's as clear cut as you're saying. Me and SC have gone into various use cases in past posts in the thread and in general the benefits are already big and on my end the tech has overall improved my life so far. So many people are using it now to do things like help plan vacations and make their workflows more efficient so a lot of people are already getting a lot of value out of it.

Italicized: for self driving cars,  just use trains, buses and public trasnport. They are better, have been proven to be better for humans in general and are such a net benefit its not even funny. That will save many lives. For the old person care thing, i have a bridge to sell you. The real solution is not overworking people to the bone and having well funded human resources for the disabled and elderly. Its kot gonna be robots taking care of them, its gonna be humans. And for banning, it is possible if there is a will to do it. Its not as unrealistic as you think. You can ban gen AI slop and establishment of data centres, etc. There are a myriad of ways.

bolded: Increasing laziness of people as I said. Research has shown that Gen AI use is rotting the brains of so many people.



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Norion said:
curl-6 said:

If AI is already causing numerous problems from mass layoffs to stealing people's works to the enshittification of the internet, how do we know it won't get worse and worse rather than better over time?

Is a world of digital and political dystopia under the boot of AI systems and the billionaires and politicians who control them really worth self driving cars?

Mass layoffs only need to be a temporary issue. A world where all the work required to keep society running is being taken care of by AI systems and robots letting people do whatever they want with their time would make concepts like unemployment rate not matter any more. Governments are gonna need to be ready to handle the period between now and then though.

In general there are indeed future concerns like authoritarian regimes using the technology to crack down on dissent and entrench their rule but overall I very much expect the good to outweigh the bad since the good stuff that's already baked in is massive and that sort of world I mentioned is such a strong end goal that I really think something as disastrous as a Skynet sort of scenario would have to happen for the bad to outweigh the good long term.

Regimes are already using AI for surveillance, propaganda, misinformation, and control, and it's only early days for the technology; looking at the state of the world today with the far right in ascendency across the Western world and authoritarianism thriving across the globe, do we really think politicians and billionaires are going to deploy this technology for the good of the masses, when they're already weaponising it against us?



There will be massive societal blow back to AI in the next 10 years, to the point where I think political leaders will even be elected running anti-AI campaigns.

That being all said likely AI will take over the rendering graphics pipeline for video games in the next 10 years as well anyway. I've been saying that for a while now here, DLSS5 is basically opening the pandora's box.

Ultimately I guess you cannot really be surprised, Nvidia hasn't been a "GPU company" for ages, they're a generative AI hardware company now. That's their main business, that was always going to spill over onto the consumer GPU side.

Video games are small potatoes in the bigger scope of things. 

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sc94597 said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

AI Slop is in all new games except Nintendo, which is $120 each. 

Why "except Nintendo?" They're fully aligned with Nvidia. SW3 will almost certainly have a Nvidia chip and neural rendering features. It'll be interesting to see the Nintendo-primary users in this thread navigate this. I am sure there will be some arbitrary distinction of why it isn't gen-AI. 

I don't think Nintendo would be okay with just having their assets "drawn over" like all the pictures in this thread. At most they might make use of lighting and shadows being improved with AI, but they would say hell no to what this thread's examples are doing to characters and other assets. 

Nintendo also likes to recycle old assets to a hilarious level, so the longer they stay in the Wii U to Switch 1 level of graphics for their mainline games the faster it is for them to make. They are already about 13-15 years into making Switch 1 level assets. Switch 2 is mostly being used for higher resolution and other small additions. 

If it did happen though, I would just flat out stop buying Nintendo games.