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Pay in mind this will be really expensive, we already have leaks saying it should be stronger than the potential 2027 PS6 (or even if it releases in 2028 as I expect) and I honestly can't see why Microsoft would sell it at a loss when PC stores can gobble up a lot of the profit a console has that is the storefront.
Sarah also said it would be premium, and we already have a $1000 portable PC they got Asus to brand as a Xbox as well.

$1000 is the bare minimum I expect it to be, without accounting for the impact RAM and SSD is getting from AI, so maybe even $1200.



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A Xbox that plays PC and xbox games. Not sure how that is different than my PC that plays PC and xbox games.



“Consoles are great… if you like paying extra for features PCs had in 2005.”
Chrkeller said:

A Xbox that plays PC and xbox games. Not sure how that is different than my PC that plays PC and xbox games.

Price? 



 

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xl-klaudkil said:
Chrkeller said:

A Xbox that plays PC and xbox games. Not sure how that is different than my PC that plays PC and xbox games.

Price? 

Of my PC or PC in general?  And I find price hard to calculate, tbh.  No doubt my hardware was expensive, but it will outclass (with ease) the ps6 and next box, so I am getting two full generations out of it.  Plus, I don't pay for online.  I can emulate classic games and not have to pay subscription fees, plus games tend to be way cheaper.  I think the cost of entry for PC is high, but PC is cheaper over the long haul.  Just depends on how you want to spend your money.  



“Consoles are great… if you like paying extra for features PCs had in 2005.”
Chrkeller said:
xl-klaudkil said:

Price? 

Of my PC or PC in general?  And I find price hard to calculate, tbh.  No doubt my hardware was expensive, but it will outclass (with ease) the ps6 and next box, so I am getting two full generations out of it.  Plus, I don't pay for online.  I can emulate classic games and not have to pay subscription fees, plus games tend to be way cheaper.  I think the cost of entry for PC is high, but PC is cheaper over the long haul.  Just depends on how you want to spend your money.  

In general i mean, the price  of  helic  compared to a pc with same specs.



 

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xl-klaudkil said:
Chrkeller said:

Of my PC or PC in general?  And I find price hard to calculate, tbh.  No doubt my hardware was expensive, but it will outclass (with ease) the ps6 and next box, so I am getting two full generations out of it.  Plus, I don't pay for online.  I can emulate classic games and not have to pay subscription fees, plus games tend to be way cheaper.  I think the cost of entry for PC is high, but PC is cheaper over the long haul.  Just depends on how you want to spend your money.  

In general i mean, the price  of  helic  compared to a pc with same specs.

Good question.  IMO, a decent PC is 2k.  I mean one could be built for cheaper but would lack any sort of future proofing.  Price of the Helix?  I am very curious to know.  Ram, GPUs and HDDs are super expensive.  Random guess, minimum of $1200.  I could see it being $1500. 

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I personally wouldn't build a rig with anything less than a 9700xt or 5070ti.  Anything less than 16 gb doesn't seem worth the effort.  I dont think 12 gb will age well.  

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“Consoles are great… if you like paying extra for features PCs had in 2005.”
Chrkeller said:

A Xbox that plays PC and xbox games. Not sure how that is different than my PC that plays PC and xbox games.

I do not think your PC can run 360, One and Series games? Or you must have a very special PC...

I believe you are mixing up "Xbox Studios" games (and only the latest as all games before that were not Xbox Play Anywhere) and games published on Xbox consoles (not specifically by Microsoft) that people own in their library; those games require an Xbox to be played... No PC can do that (maybe for the 360 with emulation, but that's not really relevant).

For a lot of people, this is important; I get that if you always buy your game on PC, then it does not make any difference, though.

Also, the price of those machines (no matter if it is the next Xbox, Steam Machine, whatever you have), is something a lot of people like. They buy it, it works and perform wells for a long time (and you do not need to worry about building it yourself, finding the right part, etc...). That's appealing to a lot of people.



Yeah I am in! Don't care if it would cost 2K so long it is beefy and have atleast some of the stores like Steam/Epic/Gog..

Finally being able to buy from humble bundle and play those epic/amazon freebies is a big +

Only issue is that I will have so many sales to check I probably check the sales more then play games =p






I have a track record of making very accurate predictions, and I want to make a big point of what I fully believe the Project Helix hardware is.  Also I want share with you the reason why i think I'm pretty good at making predictions is because I envision the business plan for the products before I think about what the product might be.  I think that's important because that's how business actually works.

Anyway, I believe that Microsoft Project Helix will be two products once it hits retail.  Everyone is expecting some sort of Desktop/living room PC that will play Xbox and Steam games.  I'd imagine a device that upon boot up presents you with a list of your games across Steam/Xbox/Epic or the option to load into Windows 11.

You select your game and it either boots up the Xbox game, or it loads a lite version of Windows and opens your game via Steam/Epic.  It's a graphically what you'd expect from a next gen Xbox with DLSS quality upscalers, full ray tracing support, and maybe even frame generation.  This will probably be a costly box as it won't be subsided by game sales like a normal console.  So anywhere north of £1200 considering the current increasing cost of hardware.

But what is the actual size of the target audience of this device? 10 Million lifetime sales at best?  You are looking for consumers who have an Xbox game collection, who don't want to move to Sony or Nintendo and don't already have PC or have a fairly old PC desktop and are looking to upgrade.  Many users have been left with a sour taste in their mouth over Xbox and trust in the platform is at an all time low, so personally I feel 10 million is actually VERY generous.

But hold on, Microsoft are entering into a multi billion dollar partnership with AMD.  So are they really going to invest all this money into a device that will only hit around 10 million users at best?  Of course not, and even the press release says this:

Plus how does just releasing one PC unit align with the mission statement of bringing Xbox and Windows together?  What makes more sense would be to expand this device to existing PC users.

This is where the Project Helix motherboard comes in.  A motherboard with the Xbox SOC mounted on it.  PC users can still add in their extra RAM, their Nvidia GFX cards and their Elgato capture cards!  But they will also have full compatibility with Xbox software.  You want to play GTA 6 now on your PC desktop?  Well get this new motherboard from Microsoft!  That prospect alone will sell millions of units to PC users.

Now you actually have a device that brings Xbox and Windows 11 together.  You solve many PC gaming issues by having standardised hardware, while not taking away anything from the PC gaming space.

Plus when you actually manufacture this Xbox PC units, all they really are is the Helix SOC Motherboard in various hardware configurations.

When you look at Project Helix in this light, then you have a much stronger business case.  And when you have a strong business case, you are far closer to predicting what is going to happen.



Sony want to make money by selling art, Nintendo want to make money by selling fun, Microsoft want to make money.

Them talking about it for the first time this early basically confirms 2027 as the release year. Should be a niche device but if it's good then that's fine. If they position it right it could actually have appeal to some young gamers who want a PC to play games.