Xbox's was the worse because they weren't open about going full third party and tried  to convince everyone it "was just 4 games". Then, they release the "this is an Xbox" Campaign, where they try and confuse and gaslight people into believing that Xbox is something that it's not. They literally had a man in a boxing ring pointing to a TV (among other things) claiming it was an Xbox and that's not right. Imagine being in such a bad position that you have to point at a TV and claim it's an Xbox. Only MS would stoop that low. 

More AAA devs don't want to support Game Pass and this is never a good sign. https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/twice-as-many-developers-surveyed-by-gdc-say-they-want-to-make-games-on-ps5-or-switch-2-than-on-xbox/ We saw similar reports for Wii U I think in 2015. Tho that report was much more dire.

Sega because Sega was just a video game company, we all know the XBox division is just waving around daddy's credit card (MS' OS, server, etc. divisions) trying to get a foothold and throwing a bunch of stuff at the wall.

Sega was more heartbreaking especially because the Dreamcast was a legitimately very good console.

357 billion of Market cap lost and MS mainly blames Xbox division. https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/29/microsoft-market-cap-earnings.html

As I said before. Only reason SEGA had to drop out is they didn't have daddy's credit card. Xbox would have died with the first console without MS. Phil and Co tanked a brand worse than anyone else ever has in console gaming.

I've been pointing out since 2019 that Xbox has never been it's own division and has never once stood on its own two legs. Xbox fans have tried to point to financials but that is pointless when Azure and personal computers are lumped in with the Xbox brand. Claims of profitability after the 100 billion spending spree they made aren't really claims of Xbox being profitable, but claims that the profit from the 3rd party companies they bought overpower the losses that the original Xbox portions sustained and still sustain. Imagine you own four failing ice cream shops and then you use daddy's billions to buy out Baskin Robbins. You never turned your business around. You just absorbed an already profitable business to hide your losses. 

In hindsight the claims of Gamepass being profitable was just MS accountants getting loose with PNL data. 

Sega on the other hand had a couple of decades of profitability as a game company. They've existed since the 60s after all. 

I don't know. Maybe Sega did fall further because they were a real game company and MS never was. 

Everything Sega made except the 32X was a good console with a good library. And they never just relied on 3rd party games the way that MS and Sony do these days. They were prolific with their own game releases. 

this is why I view Sega as the biggest crash and not MS, and not Atari.  With the Genesis there was a real question on who was going to be the name in gaming.  Sega or Nintendo.  Sony took it from everybody, but Nintendo held their ground.  Sega went from competiting as a potential top dog to an absolutely nothing in such a short period of time.  

The Genesis was massive, at least in the US.  It started console wars..  the Saturn?  Sold less than the Wii U.  Sold less than the Dreamcast.  Sold less than the Vita.  Hell, the Switch 2 has already passed the Saturn.  Going from the Genesis to Saturn then DC, both 10 million sold or less, is the definition of a crash. 

Microsoft's first xbox, the OG, outsold anything Sega did except the Genesis...    

Well, I mean, Atari pretty much had a monopoly and then poofed out into nothingness. But yeah, Sega disappeared in a short 7 years, while Xbox has just lingered on since 2013. I guess my main point in this thread is that I'm far more excited to play Sega systems than I am Xbox systems. And with some key business changes I could see Sega being the one to survive and not Nintendo, or Xbox. 

Master system just needed its best games to come out in all regions.

Sega CD could have worked as a CD-Variant of the Genesis and not an add-on. $20 Greatest hits CDs of Genesis classics would have been amazing on it. 

Saturn really just needed to not surprise launch and to be sold in Target, Wal-Mart, Bestbuy, etc. Only being available in Toys R Us and Babbages was a death sentence. A ton of Saturn games never came to the west but that's because Saturn sold so poorly here that there was no point in bringing them over. Sega still would have lost the 5th gen to Sony but they could have made N64 the 9 million unit failure instead of Saturn. Saturn ending 1999 with 20 million units sold and then a more powerful Dreamcast launching in 2000 would have changed things for everyone. 

Dreamcast just needed money. That's it. Just money that Sega didn't have. Money that a successful Saturn would have provided. 

Microsoft has been making games since 1982 when they released the first Microsoft Flight Simulator, so they been a real game company for over 40 years.  Also, since they now own Activision that goes back even further since they released their first games in 1980.  

Saturn was DOA when they announced the price would be $399.  Sony killed them when they announced and launched the PS1 at $299.

Have y'all noticed that each generation PlayStation won was when they announced their console price second, and it was usually lower than the competition? I mean, we could technically say that PlayStation lost the generation against Xbox 360, even though at the end PS3 sold more. In that gen, Sony announced the console price first and then Xbox. So there's a trend here that none of Sony's competition were able to figure out.