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Cerebralbore101 said:
Leynos said:

357 billion of Market cap lost and MS mainly blames Xbox division. https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/29/microsoft-market-cap-earnings.html

As I said before. Only reason SEGA had to drop out is they didn't have daddy's credit card. Xbox would have died with the first console without MS. Phil and Co tanked a brand worse than anyone else ever has in console gaming.

I've been pointing out since 2019 that Xbox has never been it's own division and has never once stood on its own two legs. Xbox fans have tried to point to financials but that is pointless when Azure and personal computers are lumped in with the Xbox brand. 

In hindsight the claims of Gamepass being profitable was just MS accountants getting loose with PNL data. 

Sega on the other hand had a couple of decades of profitability as a game company. They've existed since the 60s after all. 

I don't know. Maybe Sega did fall further because they were a real game company and MS never was. 

Everything Sega made except the 32X was a good console with a good library. And they never just relied on 3rd party games the way that MS and Sony do these days. They were prolific with their own game releases. 

this is why I view Sega as the biggest crash and not MS, and not Atari.  With the Genesis there was a real question on who was going to be the name in gaming.  Sega or Nintendo.  Sony took it from everybody, but Nintendo held their ground.  Sega went from competiting as a potential top dog to an absolutely nothing in such a short period of time.  

The Genesis was massive, at least in the US.  It started console wars..  the Saturn?  Sold less than the Wii U.  Sold less than the Dreamcast.  Sold less than the Vita.  Hell, the Switch 2 has already passed the Saturn.  Going from the Genesis to Saturn then DC, both 10 million sold or less, is the definition of a crash. 

Microsoft's first xbox, the OG, outsold anything Sega did except the Genesis...    

Last edited by Chrkeller - on 30 January 2026

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