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Is the switch an 8th gen console

Yes its 8th gen 19 41.30%
 
Yes its 9th gen 27 58.70%
 
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Chrkeller said:

People do realize sales do not equate to money in one's pocket, yeah? Raw sales do not take into account operating costs.  What matters is net profit.

From a business perspective the real winner is whomever is making the most money, not selling the most units.

i mean if we go by that metric, nintendo is still winning. but i think the fairest thing to do is just look at units sold. its clear (well, in all cases but 1), its easily attainable, its marketshare, and historically, its always been the measure of who won that generation. units sold is the metric.



Total Championships: Nintendo - 4, Sony - 2, Atari - 1, Microsoft - 0, Sega - 0

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angrypoolman said:
160rmf said:

I am realizing now, if Switch 2 sell more than PS5 then logical reasoning will align with console warring and Switch 1 and 2 will be considered 9th and 10th gen systems just to give the win for PS4 on 8th gen. Thats is just how pathetically the internet rolls

yes, this is kind of what im getting at, i think a lot of sony fans are looking ahead and want to at least preserve the 8th gen victory, and that is maybe for a few reasons. first, it gives them a championship to claim to, which i totally get. and second, and most importantly i think, it breaks up a 3peat. i feel nintendo going back to back with 7th and 8th gen victories is tough and well, its just easier to classify switch as 9th gen to kick the can down the road, even though i mean, if you really try to look at it objectively, it fits better as an 8th gen system. as weird as that is, the disaster of the wii u made it possible.

I say this as someone who turns on his ps5 once every 3 months and thinks Nintendo is the best developer on the planet...  only people I see caring about this is a select few Nintendo fans.  Everyone else seems busy playing games.  



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Chrkeller said:
angrypoolman said:

it matters because we need to know in which generation nintendo won.

throughout the entirety of the 7th generation on vgchartz, it was clear that nintendo won the generation. yes, people tried to discredit the championship in a variety of different ways, it happened basically every day on here. and the same thing is happening in this thread, so in that respect, nothing has changed.

there are some people who have a difficult time with their company not winning, and i completely understand that. during 2014, 2015, 2016, it was tough. ps4 was selling like crazy even though their first year was remasters which i found to be very frustrating. and then because of nintendo's poor marketing, it didnt matter that we had a lot of great games in 2014, we got absolutely dominated by sony. but you know what? i dealt with it. i didnt make excuses, i dealt with reality. it seems whenever its our turn to win, everybody wants to discredit it and say it isnt deserved. the crazy thing that nobody saw coming was that nintendo was going to make a comeback and actually win the 8th generation. its a crazy story of the underdog that came back and claimed victory. thats why it matters what generation it is. i understand its ambiguous and i wouldnt necessarily fault somebody for saying switch is a 9th gen console, however, i cant help but feel that people are labeling it 9th gen because they spent the first half of the 8th gen thinking they had it wrapped up only to have victory snatched in the late hours. it never feels good to be walked off when you had a 8 or 9 run lead earlier in the game, but thats exactly what happened. and i think that is a hard thing for some people to cope with. 

anyway, i will toast to a fair game here in the 9th generation. ps5 has sold an incredible amount of consoles, 100 million is a lock for them. 100 million is nowhere near a lock for switch 2, although we have a promising start. id really like to just shake hands and say fair game without any bs or any discrediting. lets just see who wins. 

1) as gamers, in fact, we don't need to know. 

2) sales and profit are not the same, so selling the most means little.  If you sell 100 lemonades at 25% profit margin and I sell 75 lemonades at a 50% profit margin, I made more money.    

so are you saying you want championships to be a yearly thing where we look at which company made the most money? 



Total Championships: Nintendo - 4, Sony - 2, Atari - 1, Microsoft - 0, Sega - 0

angrypoolman said:
Chrkeller said:

People do realize sales do not equate to money in one's pocket, yeah? Raw sales do not take into account operating costs.  What matters is net profit.

From a business perspective the real winner is whomever is making the most money, not selling the most units.

i mean if we go by that metric, nintendo is still winning. but i think the fairest thing to do is just look at units sold. its clear (well, in all cases but 1), its easily attainable, its marketshare, and historically, its always been the measure of who won that generation. units sold is the metric.

Maybe, maybe not.  Sony gets a cut of all third-party sales on their platform and gets lord knows how much from PSN+.

Sales is a terrible metric.  Claiming otherwise screams ignorance as it relates to business.    



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angrypoolman said:
Chrkeller said:

1) as gamers, in fact, we don't need to know. 

2) sales and profit are not the same, so selling the most means little.  If you sell 100 lemonades at 25% profit margin and I sell 75 lemonades at a 50% profit margin, I made more money.    

so are you saying you want championships to be a yearly thing where we look at which company made the most money? 

Weekly.  We should crown weekly, yes that is what I am saying.  

if it weren't for boredom I wouldn't even be posting.  Well, not entirely true, I can't decide if your posts are meant to be serious or if you are taking a piss.  I want to believe you are taking a piss.



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Chrkeller said:
angrypoolman said:

so are you saying you want championships to be a yearly thing where we look at which company made the most money? 

Weekly.  We should crown weekly, yes that is what I am saying.  

if it weren't for boredom I wouldn't even be posting.  Well, not entirely true, I can't decide if your posts are meant to be serious or if you are taking a piss.  I want to believe you are taking a piss.

ok well in my mind, championships shouldnt be something that occurs on a weekly basis. they should be special. i think the most sensible thing is that championships should be generations won and maybe pennants can be done as a yearly thing. maybe as a community we can iron out these details, but if we kept track of that sort of thing, i think it would be good. units sold in a generation is championships, units sold in a year is pennants. swap sales out for actual money earned if youre of that mindset, but the concept remains the same. i think since this is vgchartz and we look at sales data and thats kind of the weird obsession we have (the average person doesnt care about sales the way we do), sales data just seems to make way more sense. and you know what, even before vgchartz, thats always how winners were determined. its just how it is. its like trying to change the electoral college. thats just how we determine the winner, for better or for worse. dont know what to tell you about that. 



Total Championships: Nintendo - 4, Sony - 2, Atari - 1, Microsoft - 0, Sega - 0

Such a wise thread-idea!Winner of 8.5 gen.
Ps4 and Xbone were released in 2013, one year after wii u! Nintendo Switch 4 years after them, not long enough! If it was about five years?Then,Nintendo Switch competed with ps4 and xboxone for three years and with Xbox series and Ps5 for 5 years.
Given that, it's the winner of 9th gen.
The sheer winner will be gaming indurtsty, because PS5 will most likely pass 120m, along with NS AND XBOX sales, the record of 7th gen will be broken and even hitting the 300m milestone.
Well, exluding the handhelds, but it doesn't make a big difference . due to double dippers.

Pretty much, most wii owners must have been owning a ds and vice versa.

Last edited by tak13 - on 08 January 2026

tak13 said:

Such a wise thread-idea!Winner of 8.5 gen.
Ps4 and Xbone were released in 2013, one year after wii u! Nintendo Switch 4 years after them, not long enough! If it was about five years! Nintendo Switch competed with ps4 and xboxone for three years and with Xbox series and Ps4 for 5 years.
Given that, it's the winner of 9th gen.
The sheer winner will be gaming indurtsty because PS5 will most likely pass 120m, along with NS AND XBOX sales, the record of 7th gen will be broken and even hitting the 300m milestone.
Well, exluding the handhelds, but it doesn't make a big difference . due to double dippers.

Pretty much, most wii owners must have been owning a ds and vice versa.

i mean, switch released halfway through gen 8. 

if you want to get real specific, the switch launched 40 months after ps4/xbox one came out, and 44 months before ps5/xsx came out. so by that metric, it was a little before half way, but for the sake of argument, we will say half way. 

now, timing of release is basically the gold standard by which we judge its generation, but since in this case its ambiguous, we have to look at other factors (by the way, this isnt the only time in which console release timing is ambiguous when determining the generation of a console). 

i think the most obvious thing to look at is power. its the most sensible tiebreaker there is. switch is closer powerwise to a ps4 than a ps5. there is no real question about that. many of the multiplat games it has, it shares with ps4 and not ps5. 

i have a real hard time seeing this system being classified as 9th gen. it just simply does not fit. it was a late addition to 8th gen and was squeezed dry for an extra year or two longer than it should have existed because of how much it sold. otherwise the successor would have naturally came out in 2023 or so. its an 8th gen console.

im sorry but any attempt to classify it as 9th gen just really comes off as sony fans trying to preserve an 8th gen championship, it just does. now that i see it, i cannot unsee it. 



Total Championships: Nintendo - 4, Sony - 2, Atari - 1, Microsoft - 0, Sega - 0

angrypoolman said:

if you really try to look at it objectively, it fits better as an 8th gen system. as weird as that is, the disaster of the wii u made it possible.

An 8th gen system succeeding another 8th gen system...

Yeah, I guess bro. Its pretty weird



 

 

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Switch is the generation after the Wii U. And the Switch 2 marked the beginning of a new generation. Trying to argue it is the same generation as the Wii is trying to argue for the absurd to be true.

Combined generations haven’t really been relevant for a long time. Right now, Switch and Switch 2 are both selling enough to be competing against Xbox 4 and PS5, and that’s reality.



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