My issues with Switch 2 so far is I was expecting more of Switch 1 games running on it. PS5 was a really smooth upgrade where even the games that haven't received an upgrade were still running better and with better graphics compared to PS4. On Switch 2 the games look worse on handheld mode, and the low native resolution off some Switch 1 games becomes more evident in a 4K console like Switch 2

As for the game themselves, the library so far is not good yet, but I don't really care for that because I know the games will come eventually. I have a PC and a PS5, so my time to play on each is limited, as long the console gets 3 to 4 games I want to play on early basis I'm good (next year I already have 2 games I want)

I can't stand playing on Switch in portable mode: the discomfort, the squeaking and flimsy feel of joycons, how far apart my hands are. It's just terrible. But the lack of handles is an unsolvable problem. PS Portal will obviously be more comfortable to hold than any proper handheld, but it won't fit into your pocket. It's basically a wide ass controller.

What I would absolutely love for PS6 handheld is to have the size and form of Vita or PSP. But who am I kidding? It will at best be as big as a Switch 1. I miss the days where handhelds and smartphones weren't gigantic. Why does everything have to be massive?! 5 inch displays are fine.

Damn, not a good look for Nintendo and their new system.

Goes to show that price and games matter. No system has a good price, but for Black Friday week PS5 suddenly had relatively more reasonable prices while Switch 2 of course did not. And with zero big holiday season games this year (yet another criminal mistake by Nintendo in a year filled with criminal mistakes), Switch 2 is basically still trying to survive off it's launch hype, which is of course fading and which completely failed to translate against a discounted PS5 for black friday. An even worse look for Nintendo when you consider the fact that they normally dominate the holiday quarter in terms of systems sold, AND Switch 2 is really struggling against PS5 in Europe where gamers simply aren't buying into the high price and no big games strategy of the Switch 2.

Switch 2 did great so far off pure hype for the Switch successor, but that won't last forever, and it looks like the weakening is already starting in the west, and actually has been going on in Europe for a while already.

Nintendo really needs to pivot away from the "we can sell this thing at any price off pure hype" strategy and both drop the price to $400 (wouldn't expect this in the US cuz of idiotic tariffs, but elsewhere especially Europe it needs a drop) as well as start actually bringing out big games which they should have had scheduled for its first year. 3D Mario is desperately needed in the next few months for the Mario Galaxy movie release, that Splatoon game is needed soon, and at least one other big hitter is desperately needed in the coming months. Hopefully they've got a stellar system-selling lineup planned for 2026 which they completely failed to have for the launch year, otherwise it's gonna get harder and harder to sell this thing at its high price based off nothing more than "buy it cuz the Switch was cool!".

You do realize NSW performed far worse during its first BF, no? I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but it placed in a *distant* third. (And that was with Mario Odyssey & BotW.) Again, BF is for discounts. The shiny, new system with no discounts (and let’s be clear, the MKWorld bundle discount was for Cyber Monday, not Black Friday) is not going to compete against a system with an $100 price cut and like half the library >50% off— time and time again we have seen this, every single generation.

Yeah that's the big issue with the Switch 2 so far. The Switch had multiple system sellers in its first year AND was affordable AND was exciting and new. Switch 2 has none of those attributes, and has been selling purely off hype of how great the Switch was.

MKW was the big game for the year, but from what I can see plenty of people are not happy with how Nintendo executed on the open world design. Donkey Kong is supposed to be great but in terms of being a system seller it's nothing compared to Mario which they should have had ready for launch. Then there's a Switch port Pokemon game that looks like it's 20+ years old and zero effort or expense was put into it and comes off as more of an insult than a game, there is a cool but very niche Kirby Air Riders, there is a fairly niche Hyrule Warriors, there is a Switch port Metroid game which while a fairly central IP for Nintendo is certainly a niche franchise that won't sell more than a few million even between the two systems and the impact on the S2 will be hurt given that its available on the Switch...and that's it. That is extremely lackluster, especially given the high asking price for the system and the games.

The sheen has already been off the Switch 2 in Europe for a while now, literally only sells a third what the PS5 does. Black Friday was awful for Nintendo in the US when compared to PS5, question is will they recover in December or not. Games and price are the two things that Nintendo screwed up big time in 2025, it could be that hype is no longer making up enough to cover those errors. But December sales will tell us more.

so, yes, agreed that there is not much point in buying a Switch 2 at this point, a half year in, while compared to the Switch launching with BotW there was every reason to buy it from Day 1. If Nintendo wants to keep charging the current price they are gonna have to make its 2025 release schedule look like a joke for each year after this.

Yeah I saw that. That is a good point. But let's also remember Switch had big issues with stock its first year, something Switch 2 hasn't had. That, plus one of the commenters in the link you posted said PS4's were discounted literally under $200, completely different than PS5 being discounted to $400. Just imagine how much more PS5 would have dominated this Black Friday if it was another $100 or $200 off. PS4 under $200 is an impulse buy, PS5 at $400 is definitely not that, still a major purchase.

December will tell us more. Maybe S2 dominates December, but i'd say signs are definitely looking worse for Nintendo as we move further and further away from launch hype. Europe is ALREADY bad for S2 in its first year, and could this be the first sign that the US market is weakening from lack of games and bad price? maybe. And even a "maybe" for Switch 2 starting to weaken in two the major global markets before its first year is done I would say is definitely not a good look for the system. Mistakes have been made, 2025 was basically the year of mistakes for Nintendo. They need to admit these mistakes and correct them. Games and price. Fix those two things and S2 won't have to continue to rely on launch and Switch1 hype to sell. The fact that they had sooooo long to get ready for the Switch 2, and weren't putting out much other than ports and remasters in the Switch's final 2 years, and still couldn't come up with a decent library launch year is very troubling.

In reality the Switch 2 is the fastest selling console ever in its first year. If that's a year of mistakes you must have some truly wild expectations. The most recent comparison chart on here is Switch 2 vs PS5 and it's 3 million ahead despite its first holiday season not even being in the data yet.

By the way, during December Switch 2 has led considerably over PS5 on US Amazon. Amazon sales in the US correlates very closely to Circana rankings for that month, when PS5 topped Amazon sales over Switch 2 during black friday, the same result happened when it came to total sales in the US for that period as well. And every previous month where Switch 2 sold more on Amazon, the same result happened at Circana for that month.

So if the Amazon rankings continue to look like they have done the first week in December, Switch 2 will very likely win Circana's December charts in the US.

Which would be the same as Switch 1 vs PS4 in 2017.

The PS5 is Older (5 years) compared to the PS4 back in December 2017 (4 years).

I would be shocked if the PS5 also wins December, it should easily go to the Switch 2.