Well, we will be discussing not only the misdeeds of Muslims, but Christians as well as we see the latter more often in the west. I have to be careful so that I'm not singling out any groups, but your statement has my full support. 

If you want an echo chamber, you should pick a community that doesn't have very many people that don't disagree with your methods. Forums are generally meant for discussion, and sometimes people agree, sometimes disagree. Anyway, I suspect we'll just have to agree to disagree, so I'll leave you to your thread like you wanted anyway.

Pretty much, yeah. Nobody is worried about Amish terrorism, like they said in a comedy bit once.

But if Christians actually followed the Bible to the letter, they would be just as dangerous. Instead, modern Christianity is a watered down version where anything that doesn't align with modern sensibilities is explained away conveniently through various mental gymnastics. The book says what is says, people. At least hardcore Muslims are true to their convictions, if nothing else.

I'm an aheist myself, so I don't really have a dog in the race as long as they leave me alone.

Just my 2 cents - I have not really interpreted anyone's responses as "this thread should not exist" instead what I see are people trying to let you know that how you describe that resisting ("If more people like me would resist") is likely to result in conflict rather than meaningful discourse.  Post some news and examples instead of defending an attack on the thread that does not seem to exist.  I'd bet that people may pick apart those posted examples rather than tell you the thread itself is just wrong.  Again this is just my interpretation of the responses so far, I could be wrong. 

Many on this site like to hate on religion, all religion, and you should find some support because of that.

As others have pointed out Mr. Handy was aligned with you for the most part with the exception of how they think change is best brought about.  Instead of just arguing against their methodology to elicit change you also grouped them in with those that did not do enough to stop the rise of the Nazi party and all that followed.  By including them in that group you are alienating them with phrases like "people like you".  Go after the methodology not the man if you want to win allies.

I am very much against religion.
It serves zero purpose except to instill a rigid indoctrinated and hateful viewpoint that is adverse to change.

Islam, Judaism and Christianity are all cut from the same middle-eastern, abrahamic cloth, they all share the same fictitious, unproven, misogynistic, homophobic, mass murdering God.
We have Christian terrorists in Africa, we have Islamic Terrorists in the Middle East... And we only need to look at the drama surrounding Gaza to see the issue with Judaism... But I would also argue these "conflicts" would continue to exist with or without religion, religion is just simply used as the crutch/excuse to instill such horrors on other people, the fundamental issues run far deeper.

Historically they have murdered homosexuals, abused and tried to "convert" lesbians, recruited children as soldiers, leveraged slavery, restricted womens rights and more.
It's only in modern societies where progressives pushed for change (I.E. Same Sex marriage and womens rights) that religion has started to become more moderate in those nations... But that isn't applicable everywhere.

Consequently whilst Christianity as a "whole" is more moderate in modern society, there -ARE- denominations which are more rigid with literal interpretations of the Bible right down to banning the consumption of Pork.

Religion also attacks and holds back science and education, such as evolution as it comes into conflict with their creation hypothesis.

I firmly believe the world would be a far better place if Religion simply didn't exist... And whilst people of faith can do good, they can do almost as much bad.

Atheism is the default position and the position I take, everyone is born Atheist, it's only later in life that they are converted and indoctrinated into a religion.

In saying that... I stand by and defend peoples fundamental rights to believe and follow whatever God/Religion they desire, it's called "Freedom of Religion" which also comes with the corresponding right of "Freedom FROM Religion" which I wish religious folk would also show the same respect.

I'm not against religion, just as much as I'm not against the internet. Both can bring people together and both can sow hatred and tear people apart. Imo religion and the internet now are a net negative on society, but that's because of how it's abused, especially with social media.

The real danger is herd mentality, which is so easily manipulated and abused. Hence the first thing religion did was abolish critical thinking, well those in power of delivering 'the message' do. The bible/Quran/Torah all promote literacy and critical thinking in their texts. The fault lies in those 'teaching' religion, using it for their own personal believes.

Religion did carry scientific discoveries and promoted mathematics through the ages. For example Islam made major advancements in mathematics from the 8th to 15th century. Islamic scholars formalized Algebra, advanced trigonometry, geometry, astronomy. The Islamic world popularized and spread the number 0 from India to Europe.

All our modern day science has roots in religion...

So WTF went wrong. Why did religion go from a place of study to a place of hatred.
(Although, religious wars have been a constant through the ages as well. We just see it more directly nowadays)

AI answer:

The shift in the perception of religion from a place of study and moral guidance to a perceived source of hatred and conflict is largely due to the actions of extremist groups, political manipulation, and increased media visibility of religiously-charged conflicts. While religion historically encompasses both intellectual pursuits and conflict, modern factors have amplified the negative aspects in the public consciousness.

In reality, most religions emphasize compassion, love, and community service. The perception of hatred often stems from the actions of a vocal minority and how those actions are utilized and presented within the broader social and political landscape.


One point stands out

Weaponization of Faith: Individuals and groups can "weaponize" religion to indulge existing fears or prejudices in a guilt-free way, believing they are "hating what God hates". This makes religious identity a potent, and sometimes rigid, source of in-group favoritism and out-group derogation.

There is far too much of that in the world today. And hence I liken it to MAGA and Social Media.

I'm all for criticism of religious fundamentalism and the weaponization of faith by authoritarian politicians. And I know any discussions about this subject are going to get heated. But I am going to have to insist that users don't use threads like this to fight with each other. Keep discussion on the subject at hand, and address the specific arguments, civilly.

I think that we are past the frustrating part, and nobody likes it when you have people coming in trying to play moderator when you guys don't need any help.


Moving on, I think that this will be a good discussion.

I remember the pagans that I knew during college and they really disliked Christians. Tmy girlfriend at the time told me that she visited a meeting and they spent 10 or 15 minutes just dissing theChristians. But then i was lurking around on a pagan online forum anx i figured out that they feel this way becausechristians dislike them and there is no respect from the christians for their religion. To be honest, it seems like all other religions accepted others, except for Christianity. It ended up being this way bc christians are so dominant. It's just really easy hating on the other religions when there are so few of them. Same thing with the middle east and Muslims. I'm sure that the Muslims will let others worship how they like, but they'll still implement their Islamic law on the rest of the populace and it will feel oppressive. The women there feel oppressed as well. If they could see for example tv or worldwide social media then I think they'd quickly realize how exist and oppressive their own lands are.

Does this qualify

Roblox banned in Russia, accused of distributing LGBTQ+ propaganda as criticism of child safety measures continues
https://www.eurogamer.net/roblox-banned-russia-lgbtq-propaganda-child-safety-measures

Roblox has been banned in Russia, accused of distributing LGBTQ+ propaganda and terrorism-related extremist materials.

Roskomnadzor, the Russian watchdog for communications and censorship, described Roblox as "rife with inappropriate content that can negatively impact the spiritual and moral development of children". It also flagged reports of sexual harassment of children.

Are they pandering to a religious base or using it as an excuse for censorship.



As stated in the article Roblox is also banned in Turkey, due to child safety concerns...

Roblox is banned in Qatar, Iraq, Algeria, Turkey, Oman, China, and Jordan, primarily due to child safety concerns regarding inappropriate content and risks like exploitation and cyber-extortion. Kuwait has also requested a block on the platform, and there have been discussions and actions regarding Roblox in other countries like Indonesia, though the extent of these restrictions may vary.

Is it really for the children of is that the excuse to block out Western influence / soft power / freedom of speech.


Stories about kids actually getting abused on Roblox are hard to find. The South Korean case with Telegram chat rooms did just get a recent update
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-11-25/kim-nok-wan-jailed-for-life-for-south-korea-cybersex-crime-ring/106048240

Roblox is still in the alleged category, but there's plenty smoke.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-rules-online-platform-roblox-keeping-alleged-abuse/story?id=127190227

Yet Western countries leave it running while authoritarian countries outright ban the platform.


Anyway Russia is not a good place to be gay, or just to be period.

A 2013 law initially banned the dissemination of information about "non-traditional sexual relationships" to minors. This law was expanded in late 2022 to ban all forms of LGBTQ+ "propaganda" across media, cinema, books, and advertising to all age groups, essentially making public expression of non-heterosexual orientations illegal.

In November 2023, the Russian Supreme Court declared the "international LGBT movement" an extremist organization, effectively criminalizing all forms of LGBTQ+ activism and identity in Russia. Those found guilty of participating in or organizing an "extremist organization" can face significant fines and long prison sentences.

The legislative changes have contributed to an environment of increased social discrimination, crimes, and violence against LGBTQ+ individuals. Reports of anti-gay purges have also emerged from the Chechnya region.

Is this all driven by Putin's new found religion, to support his illegal war, pandering to the Orthodox Christians? Weaponizing religion and latent anti gay sentiments to control the population.

Never good when politics and religion mix.