Must be disappointing to fight like hell to protect the US from fascism, just to see the very people you fought for electing someone even worse than Hitler.

Advanced? Look into the ME what's still happening. The colonialism, support of corrupt dictators and sowing / supporting unrest haven't stopped at all.

Many decades ago? It's going on right now. Who backs Egypt's Sisi, Saudi Arabia's MBS, the UAE and so on. Those governments right now are the result of Western colonialism and occupation and are still supported by the West. There is little chance of the people of those countries managing reforms as long as the West keeps backing their oppressive regimes.

The actual problem is out of control capitalism, putting profit over the lives of people.

Playing the victim (always HAS to be the white man) is Israel's playbook, which led to live streamed genocide. Israel is still using 'laws' installed under British mandate to illegally detain and torture Palestinians today. And you wonder why the ME still riles against Western 'culture'.

Any form of positive reform in the ME is quickly shut down by the West in favor of keeping control of its resources. 

https://www.lse.ac.uk/research/research-for-the-world/politics/freedom-and-democracy-in-the-middle-east


You only think 'we' have advanced. The people ruling you have not advanced at all, they just made you believe they have advanced. You only get as much freedom as they want to give you as long as you keep (unknowingly) supporting their plundering of the world. And now they're using immigrants, that are really economic / political refugees created by Western policies, to point the blame at and gather support for repressive policies.

How can you say 'we' have advanced with the Epstein crap getting aired out right now, Roe vs Wade overturned, United States v. Skrmetti
https://www.aclu.org/legislative-attacks-on-lgbtq-rights-2025
The ACLU is tracking 616 Anti-LGBTQ bills in the U.S.

It's the immigrants making all those bills?

Because American born Citizens have never, ever committed any act of mass violence against random strangers. 

As someone who lives in America and grew up knowing a few Muslims and went to college with many, the hate towards gays and restrictions on women don't really exist with the younger generation. Hell the restrictions on women aren't even that common once I got to college. Further, I know many members of the LGBT community growing up, and I wasn't allowed to mention their sexual orientation, partner, and had to deadname some in front of their parents due to the fear they had. Hell, my current partner is bisexual and I'm not allowed to mention it to her mother. These were mostly white deeply Christian families, not all, but most.

Let me be clear, not all white christian families were like this growing up, however there were many, many of them

You could make the case about the horrible and terrible things that people in 1950s Americans did to gays and minorities.

You paint all Muslims as being a the same person, with the same ideaologies of their governments. Tell me, should I conflate your political and social positions as being the same as your government and your community? Shall I scour every single law on the books of your government, every action taken by everyone of your religion as being an action by you? Might you be so kind to offer up your religion and home country so that I can blame everything that your government on you?

Your comments read as xenophobic to say the least.

  You are ignoring the difference here between America and how bad the middle east currently is and instead presenting a stilted argument by only mentioning the past when America was bad.  

Have any of these muslims been able to be practicing gays in the middle east?   I highly doubt that, if so then please name the country.  Even if he was able to get away with it in Dubai or the UAE or whatever, there is still the most hateful nations which happen to be the largest in the region.  

I also have a big dislike towards Christians or anybody who hates others for their religion.  They can all go to hell.  

Finally, you bring up the example of your significant other.  I will publicly challenge you to bring your girlfriend over to the ME and let her talk about lgbtq stuff over there and bring up her sexuality.  They'd string her up and hang her.  You want me to be open to other groups and yet not challenge this behavior or even overlook it.  Shame on you.  

Unfortunately, the statistics don't tell the whole story. A portion of the reason crime rates have dropped dramatically is the reduction in applying criminality in some major cities to things that were traditionally criminal. 

I can't speak to how much crime rates have decreased as a function of this, of course. However, when you look at major cities in America you see large homeless encampments, huge swaths of drug users in the streets, certain crimes like shoplifting aren't as penalized (if at all), etc. 

It could very well be that crime rates have still decreased even when accounting for all of this, but, personally, I think the decrease is more likely a shift from the "tough on crime" mindset. Which could be a good or bad thing depending on how you look at it. 

He is British not American, though I suppose he did indirectly protect the US from fascism by resisting its advance through Europe and fighting alongside the Americans; had the UK fallen, I expect Hitler would have looked to the US next.

We'll all be the same way when we reach his age.  

Things aren't like they used to be!  

The way we had stuff in our day was better!

I usually respectfully listen to these kinds of messages because if i didn't, i'd end up missing a lot of their wisdom.

You've missed the forest for the trees my friend. Your first paragraph was a call to not let muslims into the United States, as "[killing of gays] may get worse because regular americans aren't doing things like that." I assume the 'this problem' referred to the gay killings and not the Bourbon Street incident. I argued that not all Muslims agree with their governments and thus you should not assume they all hold the policy beliefs of their governments. I am not defending the current Middle East and do not think the current USA is as bad as the Middle East. I never claimed as much. My claim was that your grouping of all Muslims as being homophobic and sexist is incorrect. You are being islamaphobic. 

You claim to also hold disdain for evangelicals who punish LGBT. However your argument is that "regular" americans are not violent towards the LGBT community. However, Evangelicals make up a good chunk of the United States population, and is what many would argue is "regular" American. Many Evangelicals are abusive to their LGBT children, I know people who have gone through it. The problem of violence against LGBT people is not limited to muslims as you claim.

What is a "regular" American to you? I have to ask, because clearly you have an idea of one.


Further your argument against the idea that their can be plurality in the Muslim world essentially is it doesn't count because they don't make up the majority of muslims. Something like 10-20% of people in some Muslim States find Homosexuality to be an acceptable practice and there is a large variance in someone who would be upset to have a gay neighbor.
https://www.equaldex.com/surveys/acceptance-of-homosexuality-arab-barometer
https://www.equaldex.com/surveys/acceptance-of-homosexuals-as-neighbors

Are these majorities? No. But these surveys do show that their is diversity in opinion in the Mulim world, and that you shouldn't just outright assume they are all homophobic.

Hell, I'm only 36, and I already feel like the world was a much better place in the 90s and 2000s compared to now.

Jesus Christ, those equaldex surveys that you linked work against your cause to show that muslims are accepting of gays.  

The first link has about 2 nations, hardly some to evaluate from.  The second lists most of the nations actually featured that are muslim majority as not liking gays.   It shows Europe as being very accepting with NA sadly less so but nowhere near as bad as the ME.  And until the majority opinion is swayed, then these hateful laws will continue.  And enforcement of these laws is the real human rights violation, is it not?  So i don't see why you're making your stand on something so immaterial in the first place, when you can't give evidence to support yourself, and then bring up personal examples (your girlfriend) and don't dare bring her into the area that we are talking about.  

You know that they would string her up, son.   ALALALALLLLLALALALLLALALALALLLALALALA  is all you'd hear as they would put her to death, if you don't mind this hypothetical example.