badskywalker said:
shavenferret said:
You are ignoring the difference here between America and how bad the middle east currently is and instead presenting a stilted argument by only mentioning the past when America was bad. Have any of these muslims been able to be practicing gays in the middle east? I highly doubt that, if so then please name the country. Even if he was able to get away with it in Dubai or the UAE or whatever, there is still the most hateful nations which happen to be the largest in the region. I also have a big dislike towards Christians or anybody who hates others for their religion. They can all go to hell. |
You've missed the forest for the trees my friend. Your first paragraph was a call to not let muslims into the United States, as "[killing of gays] may get worse because regular americans aren't doing things like that." I assume the 'this problem' referred to the gay killings and not the Bourbon Street incident. I argued that not all Muslims agree with their governments and thus you should not assume they all hold the policy beliefs of their governments. I am not defending the current Middle East and do not think the current USA is as bad as the Middle East. I never claimed as much. My claim was that your grouping of all Muslims as being homophobic and sexist is incorrect. You are being islamaphobic.
You claim to also hold disdain for evangelicals who punish LGBT. However your argument is that "regular" americans are not violent towards the LGBT community. However, Evangelicals make up a good chunk of the United States population, and is what many would argue is "regular" American. Many Evangelicals are abusive to their LGBT children, I know people who have gone through it. The problem of violence against LGBT people is not limited to muslims as you claim.
What is a "regular" American to you? I have to ask, because clearly you have an idea of one.
Further your argument against the idea that their can be plurality in the Muslim world essentially is it doesn't count because they don't make up the majority of muslims. Something like 10-20% of people in some Muslim States find Homosexuality to be an acceptable practice and there is a large variance in someone who would be upset to have a gay neighbor.
https://www.equaldex.com/surveys/acceptance-of-homosexuality-arab-barometer
https://www.equaldex.com/surveys/acceptance-of-homosexuals-as-neighbors
Are these majorities? No. But these surveys do show that their is diversity in opinion in the Mulim world, and that you shouldn't just outright assume they are all homophobic. |
Jesus Christ, those equaldex surveys that you linked work against your cause to show that muslims are accepting of gays.
The first link has about 2 nations, hardly some to evaluate from. The second lists most of the nations actually featured that are muslim majority as not liking gays. It shows Europe as being very accepting with NA sadly less so but nowhere near as bad as the ME. And until the majority opinion is swayed, then these hateful laws will continue. And enforcement of these laws is the real human rights violation, is it not? So i don't see why you're making your stand on something so immaterial in the first place, when you can't give evidence to support yourself, and then bring up personal examples (your girlfriend) and don't dare bring her into the area that we are talking about.
You know that they would string her up, son. ALALALALLLLLALALALLLALALALALLLALALALA is all you'd hear as they would put her to death, if you don't mind this hypothetical example.
