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Going into this thread, I expected people not being entirely respectful about him being shot to death by a lunatic. But to read vile nonsense, that like a cockroach he had to be stamped is beyond me.

If you really think that Charlie was so horrible, then do better. Lead by example and show empathy for a senseless murder, a dead husband and father. Disagree with him politicaly, sure. But smearing him and taking joy in his murder, justifying political violence - that is the exact way to ensure that the next lunatic takes aim at you. In a civil, decent society there can never be justification for that. Shame on the people in here, who think there can be. Even the nazi leaders were sat before a judge after ww2.



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KLXVER said:
angrypoolman said:

anybody who would even slightly imply that this is not a big deal or he deserved it in some way has some severe evil running through their veins. i cannot think of any public figure who was out there having a dialogue with willing participants get murdered in this way that i would be happy or even indifferent about it. there isnt a single person. this is absolutely tragic. he is leaving behind a poor woman to take care of her two babies alone now, without a father. my heart absolutely breaks.

People are very fast to dehuminize people they dont agree with these days. Its very scary. 

Im sorry but Charlie Kirk is notorious for dehumanizing others.  And he is just the most recent victim of political violence. 

I refuse to play along or buy into the notion that somehow this victim is more important than any of the others.

Either all the violence is a big deal or none of it is.  

Violence and murder is clearly wrong and so was Charlie who instigated hatred and bigotry while he was alive.  We are sophisticated.   You can condemn violence while we condemn Charlie at the same time.  And doing so doesn't make you evil...

As if somehow getting killed makes you immune from reproach. 



angrypoolman said:
curl-6 said:

Frankly, I find your attitude to be the "dangerous" and "harmful" one, that if somebody says things you don't like, then you think they deserve to die.

youll be seeing that same exact theme a lot when it comes to this topic. 

i havent engaged with this user because i knew it would be pointless. im surprised that the original post that you responded to is even allowed to be said on this forum. maybe mods will get around to taking action.

I think seeing the comments in this thread fall just short of glorifying this brutal crime, it puts into perspective the type of mentality we are dealing with. I disagree with everything Charlie Kirk said, but the guy did not deserve to die. People that dont support gun control do not deserve to die. The fact that people want to debate this is crazy.

This wont end here, the next time someone on the left gets killed we will see what they say. But hey atleast Charlie Kirk was a "bad guy". Bunch of clowns honestly, hypocrisy through the roof.



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JuliusHackebeil said:

Going into this thread, I expected people not being entirely respectful about him being shot to death by a lunatic. But to read vile nonsense, that like a cockroach he had to be stamped is beyond me.

If you really think that Charlie was so horrible, then do better. Lead by example and show empathy for a senseless murder, a dead husband and father. Disagree with him politicaly, sure. But smearing him and taking joy in his murder, justifying political violence - that is the exact way to ensure that the next lunatic takes aim at you. In a civil, decent society there can never be justification for that. Shame on the people in here, who think there can be. Even the nazi leaders were sat before a judge after ww2.

Id like to believe most people are empathetic but just choose not to comment. The people that tend to be more vocal are the ones with more extreme opinions. This is what I tell myself at least :)



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The thread title is misleading. Charlie Kirk was not a conservative, he was a fascist.



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I can only speak for myself. I'm not celebrating his death in any way. But I also can't be bothered to be too upset about it. The man himself said, according to yahoo.co.uk, that there is no such thing as empathy. He said it would be a made-up new age term. So the right thing to do is to honor his very own words I would say.

That said, political violence is useless and it leads to nothing but more violence. So I condemn the act itself. But I can't be bothered to shed a tear about the guy who was unlucky enough to become the victim of it.



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Shinobi-san said:
angrypoolman said:

youll be seeing that same exact theme a lot when it comes to this topic. 

i havent engaged with this user because i knew it would be pointless. im surprised that the original post that you responded to is even allowed to be said on this forum. maybe mods will get around to taking action.

I think seeing the comments in this thread fall just short of glorifying this brutal crime, it puts into perspective the type of mentality we are dealing with. I disagree with everything Charlie Kirk said, but the guy did not deserve to die. People that dont support gun control do not deserve to die. The fact that people want to debate this is crazy.

This wont end here, the next time someone on the left gets killed we will see what they say. But hey atleast Charlie Kirk was a "bad guy". Bunch of clowns honestly, hypocrisy through the roof.

I think there probably are some that would love nothing more than to just burst out with joy over this, but people know that doesnt look great, so I think what we are seeing is the toned down version if you could believe it. thats just my read on the situation. 



xl-klaudkil said:

Disgusted...and some even laugh.
When will the people wake up,the left is out of control.

The western world is falling,and falling fast.

So... you are going to pretend to be ignorant as to why people disliked him?  Not even going to acknowledge it... I see.  And that somehow makes you morally superior.   Also this 'left is out of control' crap... no one is trying to hear that.

In June Minnesota house speaker, Melissa Hortman and her husband were shot and killed is an act of political violence and it was openly mocked by Republicans politicians. 

So I dont think you really care at all about the out of control rhetoric.  I think you are just devolving into the same partisan bickering that leads to these kinds of outcomes.



RolStoppable said:

The thread title is misleading. Charlie Kirk was not a conservative, he was a fascist.

cool your jets rol, you dont need to get in the mud. i expect better from you 



I'm surprised how sad this news has made me. I think a large part of the reason is because of how young he was - most of his life just snuffed out like that - and that he has such a young family; his wife must be absolutely devastated and his kids will grow up without him and probably with very few memories of him. I can't begin to comprehend what it must feel like to lose a family member like this.

I'm not super familiar with Kirk, but as anyone who's found themselves scrolling YouTube shorts longer than they'd intended or really wanted to, I've come across quite a few clips of him debating on college campuses here and there. Agreed on some things, disagreed on others (especially religious issues), but that doesn't matter; from what I saw he was always for free and open discussion and debate, allowing his opponents to speak, and never using threats or violence to achieve his political ideals. If he's a target and you celebrate his death then I wonder if there's anyone on 'the other side' that you wouldn't like to see dead. And if this guy was your idea of a Nazi - some may genuinely believe this to be the case, most I suspect just cynically using it as a means to dehumanise their political rivals, in order to maintain a sense of self-righteousness - then I would suggest you have a rather warped definition of a Nazi that encompasses far too many people not just in America but throughout the world.