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rapsuperstar31 said:

There is but it starts with the media.  Both the left and the right media spends 24 hours a day showing the other as evil. 

I think it starts with Donald Trump actually, there was division before he entered the scene, but he absolutely ramped it up to extreme levels. He immediately uses this politically, demonizing the left as he has done 24/7 for the past decade.

The solution to the division is for republicans to abandon Trump and MAGA. If the right is not interested in electing politicians who view the other side as humans, the tension and violence will remain.



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Radek said:
TheRealSamusAran said:

Stop cancelling people for their opinions.

Huh? What happened to "Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences" ?

I think firing someone from a job is much less extreme than jailing them, after all these people are CHEERING A KILLING of a man they disagree with poltically. You sound extreme.

Jailing? Who said anything about jailing? I am talking about cancelling people like you are doing. The only people being jailed for their opinions in the US are the people protesting against the genocide in Palestine.



rapsuperstar31 said:
EnricoPallazzo said:

If you think this is filth you should definitely do not go into reddit right now. I am finding unbelievable the things I am reading. Unbelievable. I have been reading about this culture war thing for a very long time and for the first time I am feeling sad by people's reactions. It is like staring at the abyss and the abyss is taring back at me.

It seems to me there is absolutely no turning back from the divide between sides right now. It is much worse than I thought.

There is but it starts with the media.  Both the left and the right media spends 24 hours a day showing the other as evil. 

I tend to agree, but I spend enough time in both camps to see that people thinking violence is justifiable and should be cherished comes way more from one side of the pitch. This episode unfortunately just showed me my anecdotal experience may be closer to reality than I thought. Also all these prints, videos of people celebrating, teachers, developers, media comentators celebrating the murders and laughing as his blood gushes is will be played and shown on the right side of the discussion a lot, for a very long time and the result will be tragic.



TheRealSamusAran said:
Radek said:

Huh? What happened to "Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences" ?

I think firing someone from a job is much less extreme than jailing them, after all these people are CHEERING A KILLING of a man they disagree with poltically. You sound extreme.

Jailing? Who said anything about jailing? I am talking about cancelling people like you are doing. The only people being jailed for their opinions in the US are the people protesting against the genocide in Palestine.

Your side had no issue with deplatforming and cencelling conservatives over much less extreme things said online, especially in the years 2016-2024.

I can't believe what I'm seeing, and I also stand against jailing Palestine protestors, what Israel has been doing is simply horrible.



EnricoPallazzo said:
LegitHyperbole said:

This thread is filth. People's opinions don't deserve death, you can say people's actions deserve death if they hurt others but my God, people who say they are the most moral say is most often have the least good in them, shown time and again. I bet you could graph heartlessness with expression of virtuousness over time. 

If you think this is filth you should definitely do not go into reddit right now. I am finding unbelievable the things I am reading. Unbelievable. I have been reading about this culture war thing for a very long time and for the first time I am feeling sad by people's reactions. It is like staring at the abyss and the abyss is staring back at me.

It seems to me there is absolutely no turning back from the divide between sides right now. It is much worse than I thought.

I just said this same exact thing to a friend a few minutes ago. i believe this full heartedly. to expand on this sentiment, i honestly think that this country might not make it because of this. not because of this incident specifically, it is just another domino.  



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Radek said:
TheRealSamusAran said:

Stop cancelling people for their opinions.

Huh? What happened to "Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences" ?

I think firing someone from a job is much less extreme than jailing them, after all these people are CHEERING A KILLING of a man they disagree with poltically. You sound extreme.

Oh, let me fix to the last bit: I am celebrating the "tragic passing" of an evil monster who advocated for another evil monster to apply extremely abusive and illegal tariffs on my country, in an effort to save yet another evil monster from facing justice after trying to destroy our democracy with a coup.

So long, bozo.



Radek said:
TheRealSamusAran said:

Jailing? Who said anything about jailing? I am talking about cancelling people like you are doing. The only people being jailed for their opinions in the US are the people protesting against the genocide in Palestine.

Your side had no issue with deplatforming and cencelling conservatives over much less extreme things said online, especially in the years 2016-2024.

I can't believe what I'm seeing, and I also stand against jailing Palestine protestors, what Israel has been doing is simply horrible.

Agreed. Unfortunately Charlie Kirk didn't agree and consistently defended Israel's actions, downplayed Israel's genocide, said that Palestine doesn't exist, denied Israel was starving Palestinians and was a close friend and supporter of Israel. You show Charlie Kirk more empathy than he shown to the thousands of innocent women and children blow up or starved to death in Gaza.

Not really sure why anyone who is a staunch supporter of Palestine and hates what Israel is doing would care much about what people are saying about Kirk after his death when he was so disgusting about the tens of thousands of dead Palestinians at the hands of Israel. He doesn't deserve your sympathy or support if you truly care about Palestine and what Israel is doing. People like Kirk wanted Israel to finish the job.

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Ryuu96 said:
Jaicee said:

My ego is so huge that I barely speak at all on this message board. The OP called for opinions on the shooting of Charlie Kirk and I offered an honest one that included plenty of nuance. Nonetheless I have deleted the content of the offending post.

You absolutely didn't have to delete anything Imho. There was nothing wrong with your post. But I've removed it from my reply too in that case. Disappointing that you felt the need to delete it, it was a more valuable perspective than most comments in this thread.

It's not like I endorsed the shooting or jokes about it or anything of that nature, and moreover I don't exactly find "If you've got nothing nice to say, don't say anything" to exactly be words that Mr. Kirk lived by, so yeah, I didn't have to delete it, but imagine if I didn't. It's just not worth it. Not to me.

Truth is that I used to be a much tougher, more resilient person than I am today. Now I often just give up when criticized because I just don't have the motivation left to endure any more. I am a certifiable snowflake who actually cried when only777 suggested I was sub-human. Make fun. But ultimately he was right: if I didn't want to get criticized, I shouldn't have weighed in at all. That was my mistake. I selfishly gave into the FOMO, feeling that voicing my fear at this moment might get me some kind of sympathy and tried to be respectful within the framework of basic honesty, but in reality it was in fact insensitive to include my misgivings about the deceased within that. I embarrass myself all the time around here. It's why I mostly just lurk anymore. I should do more of that and less of this.

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Ryuu96 said:
Radek said:

Your side had no issue with deplatforming and cencelling conservatives over much less extreme things said online, especially in the years 2016-2024.

I can't believe what I'm seeing, and I also stand against jailing Palestine protestors, what Israel has been doing is simply horrible.

Agreed. Unfortunately Charlie Kirk didn't agree and consistently defended Israel's actions, downplayed Israel's genocide, said that Palestine doesn't exist, denied Israel was starving Palestinians and was a close friend and supporter of Israel. You show Charlie Kirk more empathy than he shown to the thousands of innocent women and children blow up or starved to death in Gaza.

Not really sure why anyone who is a staunch supporter of Palestine and hates what Israel is doing would care much about what people are saying about Kirk after his death when he was so disgusting about the tens of thousands of dead Palestinians at the hands of Israel. He doesn't deserve your sympathy or support if you truly care about Palestine and what Israel is doing. People like Kirk wanted Israel to finish the job.

The problem is a huge percent of US population has the same defensive cult like stance towards Israel, and shootings like this one will only inspire more violence towards other people, which are not even politicians themselves.

In Poland where I live speaking against the genocide happening in Gaza is heavily ostracized, and The Holocaust argument is instantly thrown back at you.



IcaroRibeiro said:
LegitHyperbole said:

People's opinions don't deserve death

Depends. If you instigate murder and genocide, imo, you're equally accomplice in crime. It's like gang leaders, the might not be the one directly inflicting the harm, but if they're are commanding and instigating it they should be punished equally

The politician in question haven't done something as extreme I believe, but it happened with a pastor last year in Brazil. He instigated his devotes to attack and kill gay people impling since God can no longer do that it's time for christians to deal with the LGBT, this absolutely should be punished as hate crime even if it's still only an idea 

No, not death or preemptive punishment. This is a sick way of thinking and I won't have anything to do with it.