There's another clip I can't find from him (maybe he was on someone else's podcast at the time) where Jordan talks about studies where they take very young infants, young enough that they can't be trained or really have any bias yet, and are put in a room with boys and girls toys and they simply watch to see who picks what, trying different variations of this with different locations and toys and toy placements. It was something very high, like 95% of the time, the boys picked the boy toys and the girls picked the girl toys.

Knowing these things, it's not hard to see why men pick certain roles and why woman pick others, and also why we as a society tend to prefer men and woman in certain roles. There are things that men and woman tend to be more interested in or better at, and we as a society like to be catered to with as much ease as is possible.

It's why as to the housework/chores point, society see's that as more of a woman's role. While "stuff" or "things" have to be done in order to accomplish housework, the men aren't as interested and don't really care about the end result so much which is people. Where as the woman cares much more about the people who will benefit from the chores, which is why the housework they do tends to be done much better and is more appreciated. Same reason why you probably want a female or gay male interior decorator. Hiring a straight man would more likely leave your house feeling empty and dull.

None of this is to say however, that men or woman have to do certain things. Everyone has a choice for the most part, as to what you want to do, who you want to hire, or simply how to divvy up tasks.

There's another clip I can't find from him (maybe he was on someone else's podcast at the time) where Jordan talks about studies where they take very young infants, young enough that they can't be trained or really have any bias yet, and are put in a room with boys and girls toys and they simply watch to see who picks what, trying different variations of this with different locations and toys and toy placements. It was something very high, like 95% of the time, the boys picked the boy toys and the girls picked the girl toys.

Knowing these things, it's not hard to see why men pick certain roles and why woman pick others, and also why we as a society tend to prefer men and woman in certain roles. There are things that men and woman tend to be more interested in or better at, and we as a society like to be catered to with as much ease as is possible.

It's why as to the housework/chores point, society see's that as more of a woman's role. While "stuff" or "things" have to be done in order to accomplish housework, the men aren't as interested and don't really care about the end result so much which is people. Where as the woman cares much more about the people who will benefit from the chores, which is why the housework they do tends to be done much better and is more appreciated. Same reason why you probably want a female or gay male interior decorator. Hiring a straight man would more likely leave your house feeling empty and dull.

None of this is to say however, that men or woman have to do certain things. Everyone has a choice for the most part, as to what you want to do, who you want to hire, or simply how to divvy up tasks.

Except they're not. 

A lot of the things that you're talking about have been different in different cultures and different times because they're largely not human nature. And even the things that tend to be influenced by human nature, are still hugely suggestible by changing culture. 

I actually just saw someone explain your latter claim that single fathers have better outcomes. A big reason is that culturally people expect that single fathers need more support. 

I think it's kind of oversimplistic to assume that this is why. 

Even if we 100% assume that it's true that women and men generally prefer different things, that doesn't mean that other things correlate that way. 

If we assume that women tend to prefer socializing, and men prefer computer work. That doesn't mean that those correlations carry to jobs, because a lot of jobs require both. 

Men and women might tend to prefer different aspects of something, but that doesn't necessarily mean that women/men overall likes that something more than the other.  

Computer jobs used to be considered women's work, and it was dominated by women. It was considered secretarial work. At some point that changed, and it's not so much because the job changed or that people changed, but because the culture changed. There was a different perspective on it. 

I do think the reaction is wildly disproportional. 
Your first post was in response to a T-shirt that someone happened to have worn 7 years ago. Yet it's the kind of response that I would give to something if they had some wide marketing campaign - spend 6 or 12 months saying that Star Wars is only for women, and the next Jedi is going to be wearing a pink dress.  

I think the reality of these struggles is not driven by Disney's motivations, I think it's just fundamentally challenging to make something really good in the first place, and it's challenging to continue something.  

As you mentioned yourself, some Star Wars fans don't even like George Lucas's changes in the prequel trilogy. I would guess the reason isn't that George Lucas decided he didn't like his fans.

How much harder do you think it is when you try to pass off a franchise to a completely different group of people - who might not have the talent or they might have found something appealing with the original that is very different from most fans.

Or how hard it is in general to build on something? How many stories have poor sequels? It seems like it is very hard to come up with a great idea for a story and characters in the first place, and it seems like it is even harder for creators to expand on those ideas in a meaningful way that is as well loved. It is pretty rare for a sequel to be as critically acclaimed as the original. The Godfather 2 seems like a rare exception, only for Godfather 3 to be talked about very poorly.  

None of this requires any kind of indifference or malice towards a fanbase.  

No, they don't think fathers need support. It's actually quite the opposite. The reason why single fathers are better parents than single mothers is because you can be a shitty mother and still have a full custody of your kids, but for a father to do the same, you need to be exceptionally good. Partially why kids are the best in a nuclear family is, that when one parent is good and the other parent is bad, the good parent always make up the bad parenting. There are different things mothers and fathers teach their kids. A generation raised by mothers is talking about toxic masculinity, but what they actually mean is the lack of masculinity. Maybe if kids were raised only by fathers, we'd be talking about toxic femininity when there's a lack of it.

It's not that everyone would choose so, it's that when a group of men and a group of women are to choose between two options, more women choose one over the other and more men choose the opposite.

Most often the different preferences carry to different jobs, the correlation is higher the more you get to choose. 

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2013/07/02/the-rise-of-single-fathers/

>There are some notable differences between single mothers and single fathers. Single fathers are more likely than single mothers to be living with a cohabiting partner (41% versus 16%). Single fathers, on average, have higher incomes than single mothers and are far less likely to be living at or below the poverty line—24% versus 43%. Single fathers are also somewhat less educated than single mothers, older and more likely to be white.

Single fathers are more than twice as likely to have a partner in the home - they have more support.  

Single fathers tend to be higher income than single mothers. 

I think your reply here wildly misses the point. 

Even if we assume that preferences are somehow innate, and not culturally driven - which there's lots of evidence that shows that isn't 100% given*, that doesn't mean that that preferences map cleanly onto other jobs.

* A lot of sports and jobs have historically been women or men led at different points in time. There are plenty of sports today that we consider to be women led sports that historically were men led sports like figure skating and gymnastics.  Cheerleading was historically a male sport.  

Teaching was for a long time, male dominated. 

There is huge amounts of evidence that show that a lot of these jobs are not driven by some kind of innate preference, but because of cultural changes.  "Oh teaching is male driven because men are workers." "Oh teaching is female driven because women like kids" Even if the underlying pretense hasn't changed, the argument for why women or men should be doing a job has changed over time.  

So, single fathers are better in that regard too, when ut comes to steady relationships. Basically the data is just feeding stereotypes of single mothers with varying sexual partners. Many single mothers live off of a good child support as well. Single mothers get more support from society than single fathers.

Many previously male-dominated trades have become female dominated after women having the opportunity to get a degree and/or work in such field - this is kind of what it says what happens when people can choose to do what interests them. 

It seems to me that you are interpreting the data based on what you believe to be true, rather than using the data. 

The data given says nothing about sexual partners. Again single fathers have higher income and more in-home support. 

You're ignoring/in denial that there's a cultural factor that affects that choice. 

You think single moms are living in celibacy?

Look, nl matter how you read out the data, it's still showing single fathers being better parents than single moms. I was saying they're just as good, but the more argue about the differences, the more you point out that yhe single fathers are better parents.