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twintail said:
LurkerJ said:

 I am not a fan of Microsoft or how they achieve their success, but one must admit that they look more composed and coherent than Sony does at this stage. 

I'm baffled that you think MS appear more 'composed' and 'coherent' considering how poor their transition to multiplatform has actually been.

Sony have been a lot more upfront with what you can expect a few years, and that has changed very little. 

Is moving into PC development a potential hindrance to Sony selling PS consoles? I don't think so, at least not on any sizeable level. The reality is that while PC gaming is at the best it has ever been, not everyone cares to own one. The fact that Xbox and PS are still selling is pretty indicative that there is a sizeable market that just wants a console for the convenience it offers. 

We'll need to see what Sony's strategy is going into PS6. Right now it appears to be a console that can be more affordable than it's output due to PSSR, and a handheld to attract this market that is slowly building up. We'll need to see how their software strategy changes. But they're making games. Experimenting with new forms of games. And if you own a PS5 you're getting them all, and for many people that is most likely enough.

It's all relative in the end, isn't it? Microsoft, as a company, is rarely composed or coherent or innovative, because they never need to be to maintain their status and success, and I am not a fan, but relative to whatever Sony's strategies are for the PlayStation console, MS absolutely looks more coherent. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the PS5 and the Xbox Series behind when it comes to cumulative sales at this point of the generation compared to where the PS4 and the Xbox were? 8-10 million consoles behind? PS should be picking up the customers Xbox lost but it isn't and it won't if Sony's strategy doesn't change. 

And the reason I keep saying that we're all saying the same thing is because I agree that in the short term Sony is making more money and PS might look ok on paper, where did I dispute that? I literally mentioned short term greed that's clearly giving the impression that things are fine the way they are, but this is going to change if their long-term strategy continues to be the same. The change is going to be slow one because it takes time for customers to adapt new behaviours, all Sony is doing is accelerating the development of those behaviours. You can commit suicide by drinking alcohol excessively, smoking and overeating and it will be a slow one, but it's still suicide. 

I personally care about the success of PlayStation, and that's because I completely ditched Microsoft products. I'm currently an Apple sheep, if PlayStation starts to become a skippable platform for third-party publishers because it's selling less and less hardware, that will mean I'm going to be in a position in which buying Microsoft products is no longer optional for me if the Switch doesn't get all those games despite its massive success.

Keep in mind, my opinion is based on whatever Sony is currently doing. If they change that in the future, obviously my conclusions will be different. A PlayStation customer now is more important than 10 potential customers in the future, given how attached people become to their digital library on their chosen platform, Sony is only making the battle harder for themselves. 

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curl-6 said:

Yeah I gotta raise an eyebrow too at the notion that Microsoft's strategy is more "coherent" than Sony's.

Microsoft's handling of Xbox this generation has been a complete mess, a scattershot of poorly thought out and even more poorly implemented policies, and the result is clear to see in the fact that their console business is basically dead.

People are still buying PS5s; virtually nobody is still buying Xboxes. 

Zoom out of console sales.... Isn't it clear now that Microsoft is doing better in the gaming sector and has a more coherent long-term strategy? Microsoft is not losing when more gamers engage with their devices and Windows operating systems than ever before. What does Sony have to gain from making PC even more popular among the gamers? help Microsoft sell more ads in their start menu?

If you admit that Xbox strategies led to the death of their console business, shouldn't Sony be not adapting any of those strategies or doing anything that is remotely similar? I really don't want to be a smug asshole, but we are all roughly saying the same thing.



Kyuu said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

PS5 is doing better than Xbox, but Xbox's decline seems increasingly deliberate. Since the original intention of the Xbox was to promote PC gaming (and thus Windows as an OS since Microsoft was a total monopoly back then) and PC gaming is both growing fast and thriving in both AAA and all niches, I wonder if they're thinking "Mission accomplished" and moving on to other ventures now. Though some hardware leaks seem to hint at a new Xbox console coming, and they're increasing their presence in the PC handheld market, so wait and see...

SONY on the other hand looks increasingly directionless with the PS5 and PC game releases, lack of compelling games, trend-chasing which lands them such disasters as Concord, the list goes on. While I don't think that either SONY, the PS5 or the PS6 are in any danger, they need to get a grip on the long run and find their own way of doing things just like Nintendo did eons ago to carve out their own piece of gaming lest they'll get drowned and swallowed by a sea of similarities which takes away all the uniqueness that the Playstation has left.

PS5 isn't just doing better than Xbox. It killed and buried it. It isn't true that Microsoft wanted to kill Xbox or that it had a coherent direction. Unless Microsoft Store and GamePass take off and compensate for Xbox''s death, moving to PC will prove beneficial mainly to Valve and Steam.

"Trend chasing" also landed Fate Grand Order (likely generated more money than any Nintendo game ever) and Helldivers 2.

"Lack of compelling games" according to who? Helldivers 2, AstroBot and Stellar Blade released last year and were more compelling than any Nintendo game from the same year.

Sony's direction is crystal clear. It's imo risky and bad in the long run coz their PC support is devaluing Playstation, but how is it directionless? Microsoft contradicted themselves and made ridiculous remarks more times than I care to remember.

I don't think we necessarily disagree, the situation in which the Xbox can be unplanned, I am willing to concede here, but does it really matter? 

This is the story of Windows all over again. Microsoft get to make subpar products, tune down any ambitious or unique projects, only innovate in how to squeeze more money out of their user bases, constantly sending out new copycat hardware to the market and not support them long enough because they didn't succeed immediately, and still end up being ahead. Even worse when it comes to the gaming sector, because at least Microsoft was present when the chance to make operating systems for computers was there and were among the first. But when it comes to gaming, Microsoft has been laughably incompetent for decades but here we are. Unfair as it is this is the world we live in, their strategy is working and will continue to work. 

There are enough threads dunking on Xbox and Microsoft at the minute, and there will be a lot more. I'm not interested in that, because Microsoft is just being Microsoft. What's new? What Sony is doing, however, completely baffles me. 

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Bofferbrauer2 said:

lack of compelling games

Sony is the publisher releasing the best games for a while now. While I will Larian, Atlus and Fromsoftware the best games, they don't have the same output of Sony (since Sony have many studos) 



LurkerJ said:
Kyuu said:

PS5 isn't just doing better than Xbox. It killed and buried it. It isn't true that Microsoft wanted to kill Xbox or that it had a coherent direction. Unless Microsoft Store and GamePass take off and compensate for Xbox''s death, moving to PC will prove beneficial mainly to Valve and Steam.

"Trend chasing" also landed Fate Grand Order (likely generated more money than any Nintendo game ever) and Helldivers 2.

"Lack of compelling games" according to who? Helldivers 2, AstroBot and Stellar Blade released last year and were more compelling than any Nintendo game from the same year.

Sony's direction is crystal clear. It's imo risky and bad in the long run coz their PC support is devaluing Playstation, but how is it directionless? Microsoft contradicted themselves and made ridiculous remarks more times than I care to remember.

I don't think we necessarily disagree, the situation in which the Xbox can be unplanned, I am willing to concede here, but does it really matter? 

This is the story of Windows all over again. Microsoft get to make subpar products, tune down any ambitious or unique projects, only innovate in how to squeeze more money out of their user bases, constantly sending out new copycat hardware to the market and not support them long enough because they didn't succeed immediately, and still end up being ahead. Even worse when it comes to the gaming sector, because at least Microsoft was present when the chance to make operating systems for computers was there and were among the first. But when it comes to gaming, Microsoft has been laughably incompetent for decades but here we are. Unfair as it is this is the world we live in, their strategy is working and will continue to work. 

There are enough threads dunking on Xbox and Microsoft at the minute, and there will be a lot more. I'm not interested in that, because Microsoft is just being Microsoft. What's new? What Sony is doing, however, completely baffles me. 

I agree on most of your points. Sony is treading a dangerous path and their glowing financial reports are quite misleading. I actually think their path is so risky, that it's possible that by the time they adjust, it will be too late. No one's going to believe their "exclusives" are truly exclusive unless they commit for a whole generation. I'm pretty sure "no games" will prove more than a meme and damage the brand. Hell, the damage may already be irreversible (we wouldn't know without comparing their current results to how they fared in a different timeline where they never supported PC and other platforms).

Microsoft was all over the place this generation. They chose to brute force their way into relevance via major acquisitions instead of fixing their shit internally. But it looks that they're transforming to a 3rd party publisher mainly, which is good for non-Xbox gamers, so I'm not mad at them. It is sad however that relying on Mojang, Zenimax, and ABK will lead to more layoffs, studio closures, and dead IP's.

MS doesn't seem interested in challenging Sony or Nintendo. They're pretty much partners... for now at least.



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LurkerJ said:

If you admit that Xbox strategies led to the death of their console business, shouldn't Sony be not adapting any of those strategies or doing anything that is remotely similar? I really don't want to be a smug asshole, but we are all roughly saying the same thing.

They should but not because Microsoft is doing it. They should because consoles will eventually be a dead business

When the average age of gamers is 36 and 30% of the user base is over 50, it's clear that you can't stay in the business long-term (And by long-term, I mean really long-term, +20 years down the line)

One undeniable thing about older people is that they spend less money especially on new things. The console business, by design, relies on people staying engaged with new content. But what incentive is there to buy a new console when everyone already has massive backlogs? You could buy a PS4 today and easily have games to play for the next 10 years or at least until the console breaks

Console sales are driven mostly by marketing and FOMO (or in the case of Switch 2, purposeful exclusivity of games clearly made for Switch 1)

You can already see how many proto-boomers are on this board people saying they’re tired of gaming, that new games no longer feel exciting, that they keep replaying the same old titles. They complain about how the new generation sucks and retreat into retro gaming because they no longer believe modern games can satisfy their preferences

This is the console death through and through. It won't crash in one generation, but current bussines model employed by Sony presumes infinite growth. Microsoft handled then one more generation of growth (I'm talking about PS6 generation), even if by virtue of their own incompetence, but I don't think Sony model is sustainable once the pool of Microsoft gamers is exhausted. Console makers tried to break into developing markets, but it's not working. China is heavily into PC gaming, even Japan is abandoning console gaming to play on PCs



I boxed up my Pro to make room for the Switch 2 and I don’t see myself bringing the Pro out any time soon. The only game I was playing on it was Rivals and I just moved over to Xbox.

There’s been a lot of talk on various platforms about this being the worst Sony gen ever. There’s only defense I ever see is people bringing up revenue. As a gamer I don’t give a fuck about revenue. IMHO Sony has put out exactly one great game this gen and it was Returnal, like four years ago. I don’t care that they make tons of money off PS+ and royalties from third party sales and MTX. I care about games, and it’s easily the worst gen PlayStation has ever had in that regard imho.

I don’t think they were wrong in trying to grab a piece of the live service pie, they’ve already got GaaS titles like GT7 and MLB and Helldivers. It’s the complete lack of alternative titles or a coexisting strategy that really destroyed this gen for them. It’s very similar to Xbox at the end of the 360 gen, focusing entirely on casual Kinect slop at the expense of regular games.



KLXVER said:

I agree that they seem a bit directionless at the moment, but they really are the only true home console option left. The fact that the PS5 has sold over 75M without many exclusives just shows how strong the brand is and how people still want a traditional home console experience. They need to find ways to make games cheaper to make and have less development time though. Its getting ridiculous.

Make more Astro Bots (smaller creative and less expansive games), make more linear games if they're more cinematic, make graphical tools easy with AI tools so good looking doesn't take a long time



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LurkerJ said:
curl-6 said:

Yeah I gotta raise an eyebrow too at the notion that Microsoft's strategy is more "coherent" than Sony's.

Microsoft's handling of Xbox this generation has been a complete mess, a scattershot of poorly thought out and even more poorly implemented policies, and the result is clear to see in the fact that their console business is basically dead.

People are still buying PS5s; virtually nobody is still buying Xboxes. 

Zoom out of console sales.... Isn't it clear now that Microsoft is doing better in the gaming sector and has a more coherent long-term strategy? Microsoft is not losing when more gamers engage with their devices and Windows operating systems than ever before. What does Sony have to gain from making PC even more popular among the gamers? help Microsoft sell more ads in their start menu?

If you admit that Xbox strategies led to the death of their console business, shouldn't Sony be not adapting any of those strategies or doing anything that is remotely similar? I really don't want to be a smug asshole, but we are all roughly saying the same thing.

Losing one's console business is a pretty big deal.

If Sony's direction was really as disastrous as you claim, we would see its sales tanking, but that isn't happening.



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