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Microsoft has fingers in a LOT of pies; I don't think that the fact that they have been pushing digital distribution so hard is evidence at all that they weren't 'serious' about HD DVD. And MS is also OBSESSED with controlling which standards evolve. If they picked HD DVD for whatever reason over Blu-ray they would have been fighting just to see it become the standard.



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rocketpig said:
Aj_habfan said:
Here's why some people think 360 is dead:

1. It is selling the least every week worldwide since late last year, even after a $100 price cut in Europe
2. It is dead in Japan and lost it's major lead in America
3. People feel it has used up all it's big software hitters, so it's only downhill from here
4. People think it's sales peaked at Halo 3, and now people are moving on to the other consoles

I'd argrue those points, not a Microsoft person saying how good of a job his team has done.

1. Yes, it's selling less than the PS3 and Wii... It's also selling more than it did in 2007. Since when is significantly increasing sales "dead"? MS is making money right now and after a dreadful six years in the industry, they need that more than anything.

2. Yes, but it was always dead in Japan. Nothing has changed there. America badly needs a price cut. 30 months with one stinkin' $50 price cut is not helping their cause.

3. Gears 2. Banjo 3. Halo Wars. Fable 2. Ninja Gaiden. If anything, the 360's software is stronger in 2008 than it was in 2007... It just doesn't have Halo 3 but if you look at the numbers, Gears isn't a bad replacement at all.

4. See point one. If its sales peaked with Halo, why is the console selling far and above its 2007 numbers?


I agree with Rocketpig. I think #3 is the same affect people say about the PS3 when they say "It has no games". The PS name is defined by MG, GT, and FF. Anything other then those mean it has nothing yet.  the xbox name means Halo. There is no Halo 4 coming out, so it has nothing coming out.

So while there is a good linup coming out for the 360, no one seems to care about them (other then Gears2) 



TheRealMafoo said:
rocketpig said:
Aj_habfan said:
Here's why some people think 360 is dead:

1. It is selling the least every week worldwide since late last year, even after a $100 price cut in Europe
2. It is dead in Japan and lost it's major lead in America
3. People feel it has used up all it's big software hitters, so it's only downhill from here
4. People think it's sales peaked at Halo 3, and now people are moving on to the other consoles

I'd argrue those points, not a Microsoft person saying how good of a job his team has done.

1. Yes, it's selling less than the PS3 and Wii... It's also selling more than it did in 2007. Since when is significantly increasing sales "dead"? MS is making money right now and after a dreadful six years in the industry, they need that more than anything.

2. Yes, but it was always dead in Japan. Nothing has changed there. America badly needs a price cut. 30 months with one stinkin' $50 price cut is not helping their cause.

3. Gears 2. Banjo 3. Halo Wars. Fable 2. Ninja Gaiden. If anything, the 360's software is stronger in 2008 than it was in 2007... It just doesn't have Halo 3 but if you look at the numbers, Gears isn't a bad replacement at all.

4. See point one. If its sales peaked with Halo, why is the console selling far and above its 2007 numbers?


I agree with Rocketpig. I think #3 is the same affect people say about the PS3 when they say "It has no games". The PS name is defined by MG, GT, and FF. Anything other then those mean it has nothing yet. the xbox name means Halo. There is no Halo 4 coming out, so it has nothing coming out.

So while there is a good linup coming out for the 360, no one seems to care about them (other then Gears2)


 Too right, it's quite amazing that PS3 fanboys perceive the current sales trends to be the downfall of the 360. ALL sales have to plateau at some point, doesn't matter which console, sure the Wii's might be 20 million more than the other two by the time it plateau's, but does that necessarily mean it's sales will stop and PS3/360 will catch up? Unlikely.

 360's is plateau-ing at the moment, and while the PS3's rising now (as the 360's did a year ago) people believe it is the end of the MS this generation. At the very worst, I'd say the PS3 would be up the 360 by a few million by the time the PS3 hits it's "plateau" point. Which isn't entirely unexpected because of the Sony brandname, people tend to forget that PS3 is beating 360 weekly by only 30,000 approx (varies week to week, but that's the general consensus number). 

 The important thing to note here is that this sales increase is the PS3 playing catch up, while the 360's rise in sales was it extending its lead.

 As for the games issue, there isn't one. As many people have stated before: Ninja Gaiden 2, Gears 2, Bioshock 2 (you know it's coming), Fable 2,  Alan Wake, Halo Wars and Banjo 3. Those are just the titles we know thus far (remember that the big games conferences are just about to start).

There's also the fact that many sony fanboys seem to forget that PS2's success wasn't entirely due to sequels, alot of new IP's stepped up to fill in the gaps in the games lineup. Let's not forget DMC, God of War, Shadow of the colossus, Okami, Guitar Hero, Ratchet and Clank, Daxter etc started that generation. You think that MS is stupid enough to rely on Halo to sell a console? unlikely.



Okami did not start anything on the PS2 -- it came out in 2006. And Shadow of the Colossus hit in 2005. Did you mean Ico?



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My advice to fanboys: Brag about stuff that's true, not about stuff that's false. Predict stuff that's likely, not stuff that's unlikely. You will be happier, and we will be happier.

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it's really hard to stay interested in this thread when people don't use the quoting system properly.




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DOATS1 said:
it's really hard to stay interested in this thread when people don't use the quoting system properly.

 u mean cause it's gets to long? Yeah - kinda hard to keep track sometimes



dsoverpsp said:
DOATS1 said:
it's really hard to stay interested in this thread when people don't use the quoting system properly.
u mean cause it's gets to long? Yeah - kinda hard to keep track sometimes
Yeah, well, at least I cut out all the dead space.  Just give the "Page Down" key a workout.  The quotes were left in since (in BOTH of the cases you might be referring to) the quoted material is what is being debated. 

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