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eliasg on 24 April 2008
BCNR34 said:
eliasg said:
If MS had a reliable console out there , the console war would had been ended for a long time. The RROD problem is the only think that keeps MS away from the first place. After all the good market share in the gaming industry is a huge step for MS in the Next Generation, which i think XBOX will be dominant...

 wow, you can't be serious.

even if the 360 was 110% reliable it wouldn't even be close to first place at gens end, it would still be third.


 Dont be so sure my friend, the XBOX brand is growing rapidly...



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LongLiveTheBeatles on 24 April 2008
Gamer1211 said:

Hi Everyone, I am from Gamespot and new here.   

For the life of me I can’t seem to understand why gamers convey the Xbox 360 is being “dead”.  It just proves how little most gamers understand about the business behind gaming.  Console sales define absolutely nothing when it comes to making money; it simply provides leverage for a console manufacturer.   

 To illustrate take the following example. 

Widget A sells 100,000 units for $.50 and costs $1 to produce. 

 Widget B sells 10,000 units for $.50 and costs $.10 to produce. 

 Who makes more money here? Widget A: 50,000 - 100,000 = -50,000Widget B: 5000-1000=+4000   Microsoft learned its lesson through the Xbox selling a console for less then what it costs to manufacturer is a poor business model. Instead has decided to make money on every box that is sold.  http://www.oxmpodcast.com/ (please listen to the latest podcast with Michael Patcher). 

Last gen and this gen Sony is simply trying to sell a format to attain licensing revenue through its product.  The big difference is that Blu-Ray is nowhere near the position that DVD was in when PS2 launched.  85% of the Blu Ray players out are PS3’s.http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10145&Itemid=2 To quote the above link, “In 2008 about 85 percent of the Blu-ray players in the market will be found in PS3s; the dedicated consumer electronics and PC-based types of Blu-ray players won’t catch up in terms of market share until about 2013," So 6 years and Blu Ray will catch up to consumers?  In 6 years time will Blu Ray even be needed? Now I am not taking a page out of Microsoft’s book here but I am pretty certain that in 6 years there won’t be a need for a disc.  Hopefully this point will stop rabid fanboy’s from posting Blu-Ray will destroy the 360.  Probably not, time will tell but to me there are already digital boxes out there that let you order HD movies...seems pretty obvious doesn’t it?    

 Secondly the 360 already has the “core gaming” market so don’t you think developers would target that market?   http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10041&Itemid=2

If you look at the budget to make a game: http://www.joystiq.com/2007/12/29/cost-of-next-gen-game-production-is-a-burden-on-developers/

Look at the larger install base: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Console_wars  

Look at which platform is cheaper to develop for: http://www.film.vic.gov.au/resources/documents/KurtBuschppt.pdf

Look at which console has the higher attach rate: http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/747/747181p1.html http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2008/01/28/360-attach-rate-now-7-games-per-console/

Do you not think that developers would select 360 as their top choice for exclusive games?  I am sorry but to me it’s pretty black and white.  I suspect someone will come on here saying something like Microsoft is evil and such.  The bottom line is regardless of sales, at the end of the day the 360 will always be one step ahead of the PS3. 

For those of you who still aren’t convinced, the 360 also has the reactive benefit of dropping its price against its competition.   http://news.softpedia.com/news/Xbox-360-Cheaper-by-the-Year-8886.shtml.   So I will leave it at that and try reply to anything that I see as factual.  If you take it for what it is, it’s not easy to dispute.  I have both consoles but facts don’t lie, going forward it’s obvious to me which platform has the edge here and is clearly not dead.


First of all I'd like to say welcome to the forum, but I respectfully disagree with your post. I know that at gamespot there are a lot more rabid fanboys on both sides of the fence but here most people will argue using some sort of logic.

Anyway, the fact that Microsoft makes more money directly from their gaming division is true, however, Sony's strategy as a hardware developer is a bit more ingenious. 

I'm sure you know that Sony makes HD televisions, cameras, computers, and other products right? Well the PS3 is more or less a tool they used with blu-ray to:

1. Win the HD format war

2. Sell TV's which are products of much greater value

3. Act as a media Hub with everything else made by Sony 

Whatever they initially lost was made up 10 fold through peripheral sales. Not only that but the price has been reduced. I also own both systems and prefer the PS3 because of reliability and the interface. For the moment the Xbox gets most of my playtime because of games like Halo but later this year things will change.

I think Blu ray will successfully take the DVD's place only because major movie studios won't want what happened to the music industry to happen to the movies, and other electronic companies won't allow Microsoft to regain a monopoly over world of consumer electronics. After all they are the main backers of digital distribution. Their stance is rather hypocritical though because once the format war ended they all of the sudden don't believe that discs are the future of the industry while they lose billions backing the HD-DVD.

As for how important the profits of a corporation are to a consumer... it really means nothing to us. What does matter is who sells more consoles to determine who will get more third party games. So far, both systems have gotten a ton so everyone should be happy. (If you really are concerned about profit the RRoD costed Microsoft about 1.2 billion. Sorry, I don't mean to beat a dead horse but I had to.)



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Strategyking92 on 24 April 2008
LongLiveTheBeatles said:


First of all I'd like to say welcome to the forum, but I respectfully disagree with your post. I know that at gamespot there are a lot more rabid fanboys on both sides of the fence but here most people will argue using some sort of logic.

 


That is more true than you know. If I can find the thread i'm talking about i'll post it.



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MattAAron on 24 April 2008
LongLiveTheBeatles said:
Gamer1211 said:

Hi Everyone, I am from Gamespot and new here.   

...

<No need to quote the whole thing>

...

For those of you who still aren’t convinced, the 360 also has the reactive benefit of dropping its price against its competition.   http://news.softpedia.com/news/Xbox-360-Cheaper-by-the-Year-8886.shtml.   So I will leave it at that and try reply to anything that I see as factual.  If you take it for what it is, it’s not easy to dispute.  I have both consoles but facts don’t lie, going forward it’s obvious to me which platform has the edge here and is clearly not dead.


First of all I'd like to say welcome to the forum, but I respectfully disagree with your post. I know that at gamespot there are a lot more rabid fanboys on both sides of the fence but here most people will argue using some sort of logic.

Anyway, the fact that Microsoft makes more money directly from their gaming division is true, however, Sony's strategy as a hardware developer is a bit more ingenious. 

I'm sure you know that Sony makes HD televisions, cameras, computers, and other products right? Well the PS3 is more or less a tool they used with blu-ray to:

1. Win the HD format war

2. Sell TV's which are products of much greater value

3. Act as a media Hub with everything else made by Sony 

Whatever they initially lost was made up 10 fold through peripheral sales. Not only that but the price has been reduced. I also own both systems and prefer the PS3 because of reliability and the interface. For the moment the Xbox gets most of my playtime because of games like Halo but later this year things will change.

I think Blu ray will successfully take the DVD's place only because major movie studios won't want what happened to the music industry to happen to the movies, and other electronic companies won't allow Microsoft to regain a monopoly over world of consumer electronics. After all they are the main backers of digital distribution. Their stance is rather hypocritical though because once the format war ended they all of the sudden don't believe that discs are the future of the industry while they lose billions backing the HD-DVD.

As for how important the profits of a corporation are to a consumer... it really means nothing to us. What does matter is who sells more consoles to determine who will get more third party games. So far, both systems have gotten a ton so everyone should be happy. (If you really are concerned about profit the RRoD costed Microsoft about 1.2 billion. Sorry, I don't mean to beat a dead horse but I had to.)


LongLiveTheBeatles, very well said! I couldn't agree more, you nailed everything on the spot, especially Sony's strategy... which I completly accept, they do things right in my book



Strategyking92 on 24 April 2008
Aj_habfan said:
Strategyking92 said:
Aj_habfan said:
Here's why some people think 360 is dead:

1. It is selling the least every week worldwide since late last year, even after a $100 price cut in Europe
2. It is dead in Japan and lost it's major lead in America
3. People feel it has used up all it's big software hitters, so it's only downhill from here
4. People think it's sales peaked at Halo 3, and now people are moving on to the other consoles

I'd argrue those points, not a Microsoft person saying how good of a job his team has done.

1. Actually, It's sales went up about 40% in europe, so it did help.

2.  You are stupid if you think the ps3 has already beaten the 360 in america. Only right now is it ahead. (week  to week, and that's not by much)

3.  That's only what you think buddy, you hate the 360.

4.  If a person likes the Xbox360's software, why would he get a console he might not like?

 

 

BTW, welcome, I also came from gamespot.


Mmm, how about you fuck off? I was posting reasons that people who say the 360 is dead use, and for him to argue those points instead of "Microsoft said we have won the core gamer!"


What's your problem? Tired?

 

And Why can't I argue them?

 

Questions?



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Final-Fan on 24 April 2008
Gamer1211 said:
Final-Fan said:
Gamer1211 said:
1. Many PS3 fanboys claim that Blu Ray will be the deciding factor in the console war. Go to gamespot and u will see what I am talking about.

2. Umm if you goto Forums and gaming you will see that there are 3 threads talking about the 360 being dead. Moreso, If you goto Gamespot or IGN you will at least 10 so please dont advise me to post about something that is clearly widespread throughout the gaming community.

3. Yes the PS3 has sold the 360 3 out of 4 months this year. I never disagreed or stated anything disputing that and as such I am unsure what you point was.

4. Widget example was to simply prove a point. Based on the types of threads that are posted its not a good assumption to believe that everyone can understand logic when it comes to consoles. Spelling something out to me would be much more effective then posting my opinion.

5. Propaganda? If you could please direct me to your source that discredits or proves that anything I posted is false or does not have fact to back it up.
1.  Are we on the gamespot forums?  No.  In fact we frequesntly laugh at the ignorance rampant there, which would include talk of the 360 being "dead".

2.  I didn't see them on the first 3 pages.  Please point them out, I admit I skimmed but the closest I saw was a troll thread on Page 2 about GTAIV making 360s brick; the poster got banned and everyone laughed at the article.

4.  The widget example was not even remotely on point.  How was it a useful analogy for the 360 vs. PS3?  Just because the 360 managed to claw its way to profit a little bit faster doesn't mean it didn't employ the same strategy of losing money on the hardware to make it up on software and later in the gen.[*]  I agree that spelling out one's argumentation is a good thing; I don't think you did it enough.

[edit:  In short, you say you did the widget example to prove a point but I don't know what you think you were proving.  It's pretty obvious to all that it's better to make money per unit rather than lose money per unit.  You don't need an example to show that and it's NOT what you needed to prove to support your argument.  As it stands your widget example is such a gross oversimplification of the strategy MS and Sony both employed that it loses all relevance to the discussion.

[*There is also another point to consider:  Sony also was employing the same strategy with respect to Blu-ray inside the PS3 at the same time as it was doing so with respect to the PS3 generally.  So it has even more to potentially gain from that (successful) strategy.]

5.  Propaganda doesn't have to be false.  I will address this point more fully when I get home from work.
1. No not on gamespot forums true but as this is my first post here most would assume that gamers would share the same mentalities as there counterparts at other sites. I do not believe that my point in regards to Blu-Ray was unwarrented by any means in the realm of PS3 fanboy's mentalities about the format victory.

2. Here are some links for you from this site. I also did note that at gamespot and IGN there are many more but I will keep my search to this site for you:
http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=23439
http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=18817&start=100
http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=24893 - Posted on this thread...
http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=24915 - Posted on this thread...
Sorry this site isnt immune to it my friend.

4. The widget example was to illistrate how last gen with the XBOX, MS was not worried about making a profit on their console and why it is better to sell something at a profit. If you couldn't get that out of that then I feel for you sir. It was not meant to be a statistical analysis detailing anything but more so a general picture to MS's new model based on the related podcast in the orginal post. Please listen to the podcast first and you will understand why I put it in this thread in the first place.

5. Propoganda: "Propaganda is a type of message aimed at influencing the opinions or behavior of people. Often, instead of impartially providing information, propaganda can be deliberately misleading, or using logical fallacies, which, while sometimes convincing, are not necessarily valid."

I am not influencing anyone or providing false or impartial information. I have reference all points in the above thread and as such, if you can find links to disprove or falisfy what I have posted that power to you. If not, I encourage you to reconsider the wording that you are using or continue to look for something that can outweight what I have posted on here. Given I have used 2 references directly from Microsoft but the information used is further backed in the podcast which again I encourage you to listen to.

Lastly, your comment "I agree that spelling out one's argumentation is a good thing; I don't think you did it enough." Well if you need more claification or you cannot understand something ensure you let me no.
1.  Well, in that case you assumed wrong.  I guess it's a natural mistake to make; no harm done.

2.  I never said that there wasn't ANYONE who had EVER said such things on these forums.  But let's take a look at those:  A.  "Is the 360 in trouble?"  "In trouble"=/=dead.  B.  "Its over for the 360"  I'll give you this one, though I'll point out that pretty much everyone agreed that it's not over, then the debate turned to whether the 360 was being beaten by PS3 which is very different from whether it is dead.  C.  I'm not impressed by you digging up a single post in a thread to match your claim, but I AM impressed that it apparently didn't even say "360" in that post!  I searched the text of that page and did not find one instance of "360" that talked about it being dead or dying, although there were several about the 360 AND PS3 being doomed.  D.  I see a lot of talk about games and sales, and vague sales predictions.  Some of these predictions were rosy for the PS3 and some (less) were gloomy for the 360, but I didn't spot any "360 dead/doomed" posts.  If you equate "going to be 3rd place" with "is dead", well then, yeah.

4.  I have better ways to spend my time than listening to Pachter.  (How long is the podcast anyway?)  Your widget example gives a lesson of "small scale but at a profit beats large scale at a loss."  Well that's nice, but what are you comparing?  You say you're talking about the original Xbox, but I don't quite get why you spent that much time on it just to say "well MS is doing better on the 360."  What was the point of all that?

I thought you were trying to imply that the 360 was on a "profit" model while the PS3 was on a "loss" model, which would have been pretty misrepresentative of the facts.  I'm glad I was wrong there, but now I have to ask why you spent so much time talking about the original Xbox when the subject at hand should be the 360 or other current-gen systems and situations.

5.  That's an OK description of propaganda.  But I am very surprised that you deny trying to influence anyone.  Isn't the entire purpose of your post to convince people who think the 360 is dead (who actually turn out not to really exist in this forum) that it is in fact the best system "going forward" for "the 'core gaming' market"?  That's known as "influencing", my friend.

But there's one important thing about propaganda:  "The most effective propaganda is often completely truthful, but some propaganda presents facts selectively (thus lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis..."

Propaganda is often just a completely one-sided presentation of the facts -- all "pro" and no "con".  In the case of your OP, it has 360 "pros", PS3 "cons", and an inexplicable little paragraph rambling about widgets and the original Xbox.  Not one word about RRoD -- not even to say that it's better now; no mention that PSN is free -- not even to say "but XBL is better!"; etc. etc.  Textbook propaganda, uplifting the ally and denouncing the enemy.

As for having to refute your sources, quite frankly I actually don't, as I have not said that any of them were lying.  But when one of your sources is a Microsoft press release that doesn't have any relevant information at all, I just have to laugh.  You know what?  I'll go ahead and take a quick stab at the rest of your sources.  (I have no objection at this time to the Blu-ray one.)

Why do you have a source on what the average PS3 game budget is and not the 360?  That by nature doesn't support any comparison at all.

Why did your source for "Look at which platform is cheaper to develop for" NOT HAVE INFO ON DEV COSTS?!  (None, that is, beyond a generic $15m throwaway line.)  Maybe I just overlooked it somehow, but it doesn't matter since it used the infamous iSuppli graph.  Instant credibility loss.

Why do your sources for "Look at which console has the higher attach rate" NOT HAVE THE PS3 ATTACH RATE?!  I believe you that it's higher, but come on, you have to give 360 AND PS3 sources for evidence of which is higher.  And here's a hint:  sources dating back to the PS3 launch won't cut it.

Why does your "source" for the 360's ability to drop in price date to BEFORE THE FUCKING LAUNCH OF THE XBOX 360?!?!  SERIOUSLY.  Are you citing 'we'd like to drop prices year by year' as some kind of proof of ... anything?  It also says that the PS3 might launch in spring 2006 at a cheaper price than the 360, and look how that turned out.

Overall, I would rate your OP as particularly low-quality propaganda.  You knew that you needed to have links called "sources", but you didn't seem to understand that the "sources" have to back up what your claims.

Consider this an official request for clarification on the above questions.  And also one more:  Am I just completely blind?  Did my eyes just glaze over and refuse to see that your sources actually had all the information you were telling us?  I find that hard to believe, but then I find it hard to believe that you'd cite so many sites that DON'T.  I'm perfectly capable of making mistakes, and this would be a doozy.

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Aj_habfan on 24 April 2008
Strategyking92 said:
Aj_habfan said:
Strategyking92 said:
Aj_habfan said:
Here's why some people think 360 is dead:

1. It is selling the least every week worldwide since late last year, even after a $100 price cut in Europe
2. It is dead in Japan and lost it's major lead in America
3. People feel it has used up all it's big software hitters, so it's only downhill from here
4. People think it's sales peaked at Halo 3, and now people are moving on to the other consoles

I'd argrue those points, not a Microsoft person saying how good of a job his team has done.

1. Actually, It's sales went up about 40% in europe, so it did help.

2.  You are stupid if you think the ps3 has already beaten the 360 in america. Only right now is it ahead. (week  to week, and that's not by much)

3.  That's only what you think buddy, you hate the 360.

4.  If a person likes the Xbox360's software, why would he get a console he might not like?

 

 

BTW, welcome, I also came from gamespot.


Mmm, how about you fuck off? I was posting reasons that people who say the 360 is dead use, and for him to argue those points instead of "Microsoft said we have won the core gamer!"


What's your problem? Tired?

 

And Why can't I argue them?

 

Questions?


What the hell are you talking about man? You can argue the points all you want, that's why I posted them, but don't address me in your answers like I am the one believing them.



Strategyking92 on 24 April 2008
Aj_habfan said:
Strategyking92 said:
Aj_habfan said:
Strategyking92 said:
Aj_habfan said:
Here's why some people think 360 is dead:

1. It is selling the least every week worldwide since late last year, even after a $100 price cut in Europe
2. It is dead in Japan and lost it's major lead in America
3. People feel it has used up all it's big software hitters, so it's only downhill from here
4. People think it's sales peaked at Halo 3, and now people are moving on to the other consoles

I'd argrue those points, not a Microsoft person saying how good of a job his team has done.

1. Actually, It's sales went up about 40% in europe, so it did help.

2.  You are stupid if you think the ps3 has already beaten the 360 in america. Only right now is it ahead. (week  to week, and that's not by much)

3.  That's only what you think buddy, you hate the 360.

4.  If a person likes the Xbox360's software, why would he get a console he might not like?

 

 

BTW, welcome, I also came from gamespot.


Mmm, how about you fuck off? I was posting reasons that people who say the 360 is dead use, and for him to argue those points instead of "Microsoft said we have won the core gamer!"


What's your problem? Tired?

 

And Why can't I argue them?

 

Questions?


What the hell are you talking about man? You can argue the points all you want, that's why I posted them, but don't address me in your answers like I am the one believing them.


Damn, did the conversation go in a cirlce? 'cause i'm lost.



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Final-Fan on 24 April 2008
Strategyking92 said:
Aj_habfan said:
Strategyking92 said:
Aj_habfan said:
Strategyking92 said:
Aj_habfan said:
Here's why some people think 360 is dead:

1. It is selling the least every week worldwide since late last year, even after a $100 price cut in Europe
2. It is dead in Japan and lost it's major lead in America
3. People feel it has used up all it's big software hitters, so it's only downhill from here
4. People think it's sales peaked at Halo 3, and now people are moving on to the other consoles

I'd argrue those points, not a Microsoft person saying how good of a job his team has done.
1. Actually, It's sales went up about 40% in europe, so it did help.
2. You are stupid if you think the ps3 has already beaten the 360 in america. Only right now is it ahead. (week to week, and that's not by much)
3. That's only what you think buddy, you hate the 360.
4. If a person likes the Xbox360's software, why would he get a console he might not like?

BTW, welcome, I also came from gamespot.
Mmm, how about you fuck off? I was posting reasons that people who say the 360 is dead use, and for him to argue those points instead of "Microsoft said we have won the core gamer!"
What's your problem? Tired?

And Why can't I argue them?

Questions?
What the hell are you talking about man? You can argue the points all you want, that's why I posted them, but don't address me in your answers like I am the one believing them.
Damn, did the conversation go in a cirlce? 'cause i'm lost.
Please allow me to kindly provide you with a map: 


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Strategyking92 on 24 April 2008
Final-Fan said:
Strategyking92 said:
Aj_habfan said:
Strategyking92 said:
Aj_habfan said:
Strategyking92 said:
Aj_habfan said:
Here's why some people think 360 is dead:

1. It is selling the least every week worldwide since late last year, even after a $100 price cut in Europe
2. It is dead in Japan and lost it's major lead in America
3. People feel it has used up all it's big software hitters, so it's only downhill from here
4. People think it's sales peaked at Halo 3, and now people are moving on to the other consoles

I'd argrue those points, not a Microsoft person saying how good of a job his team has done.
1. Actually, It's sales went up about 40% in europe, so it did help.
2. You are stupid if you think the ps3 has already beaten the 360 in america. Only right now is it ahead. (week to week, and that's not by much)
3. That's only what you think buddy, you hate the 360.
4. If a person likes the Xbox360's software, why would he get a console he might not like?

BTW, welcome, I also came from gamespot.
Mmm, how about you fuck off? I was posting reasons that people who say the 360 is dead use, and for him to argue those points instead of "Microsoft said we have won the core gamer!"
What's your problem? Tired?

And Why can't I argue them?

Questions?
What the hell are you talking about man? You can argue the points all you want, that's why I posted them, but don't address me in your answers like I am the one believing them.
Damn, did the conversation go in a cirlce? 'cause i'm lost.
Please allow me to kindly provide you with a map: 

WTF is "dead use"? 

No, i'm serious, wtf is he talking about? I have highlighted the confused parts^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

Well, the xbox is not dead, it's obvious that it isn't, I mean, he posted terrible reasons.

And no, final-fan, I can never be owned.



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