Yep, looks like he's out.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/dutton-set-to-lose-seat-of-dickson-20250503-p5lw8v.html

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-03/peter-dutton-losing-dickson-coalition-leadership/105247916

Dutton has conceded.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/peter-dutton-concedes-defeat-australian-113732990.html

First Canada, now Australia? Conservatives fear Trump slump is spreading.

Let’s hope it spreads to the U.S. Trump has been a colossal clusterfuck.

Well, that's the system we have... And it's been demonstrably demonstrated to be the superior approach.

The point I am conveying is that from a legal perspective an 18 year old is regarded as an Adult here.
If an 18 year old is allowed to come out to a rescue with me and cut a dead person out of a car, then they should be respectfully afforded the opportunity to also vote, they are as much of a citizen of this country just as much as I am.

If they can do "Adult jobs and tasks" then that should also include voting. No exceptions.

It is actually up to the political candidates to educate, teach and promote their campaign to convince voters to vote for them, if an 18 year old hasn't been educated appropriately to vote appropriately, then that's a failure on the political candidates during their campaign.
It's literally the job of political candidates.

21 year olds are not afforded any extra "rights" here over an 18 year old. That includes drinking.

I was drinking before I was 18 (Around 14-15 years of age)... Because it's actually legal in my state. - I might only drink once every 6 months these days and limit myself to 1 or 2 drinks.
https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/family-and-community/safety-and-health/liquor/for-parents-of-minors

Sex changes under the age of 18 also require the same legal hurdles as someone who is underage and wishes to drink. I.E. Adult permission.

I think 18 is a perfectly fine age, I was driving, working and a responsible Adult at the age of 18.

We had politics in Social Studies / Civics (Maatschappijleer), History class and Religion class (which focused on different religions despite going to a Catholic school, which I'm not either but learned a lot about the world in that class) We also closely followed the (first) Iraq war and fall of the Soviet Union while I was in school.

Anyway you're right a compulsory vote system would only make it worse in Canada. First disinformation needs to be tackled as well as all the nagative campaign ads and strategy. As you noticed it backfired on the conservatives after Trudeau stepped down.

Yes it is easier to motivate people to go vote out of anger, against the other guy. Yet a system where parties focus on what they want to do instead of what they don't want, combined with a compulsory vote to boost voter attendance, yes that can work. And it is working for Australia.

"Manipulating people get's just that much easier when there's only one political view in the news, or when one political side is always cast as the 'bad guys'."

That is the real problem. Especially since everything has become an echo chamber, including the mainstream news. We learned about bias in news reporting in school and had to find opposing views on current subjects from different newspapers. Now it would be teaching kids to spot lies and disinformation, how to fact check. The mainstream media has got in line behind one view, most media is owned by a few billionaires nowadays :(

The irony of modern society. We teach kids it's bad to lie, then worship the greatest liars in politics, reality TV, movies etc. The art of deception is held in high regard while it only leads to distrust and skepticism of everything else. It all started with religion of course, same tactics in politics. Promise the world, distrust thou neighbor for they stand in the way of the promises. Politics is no different from religion :/

It's time to make politics honest again. (scratch again, it never was) Accountability for politicians is badly needed.

I didn't realize all Western nations were so similar, especially their people, and how somewhat similar viewpoints will automatically lead to the same outcome in every nation.

CAN Libs didn't offer anything extra, and if anything, it was the CAN Cons who did, with a clearly different path, and message of change and hope, when needed, yet the people chose more of the same. Kinda makes you think the Western nations aren't all that similar or destined for the same outcome.

The end result is now is clear though, yes.

I know you're a beer country, but this citizen of the world tipped back a whisky for Australia.

Haven't really dove into it, but looks to be worth getting to fully understand. Superior perhaps, but the best it could possibly be? For CAN specifically? Maybe, maybe not, maybe needs some adjustments or additions. We'll see.

I get your point. What I'm saying then, is change the age of adulthood. If more or most people take longer to mature, which they clearly do these days, then adjust accordingly.

Maybe AUS is different, but in CAN, most 18 year olds are anything but competent, mature, responsible, etc. If adults don't want to be treated like children/teens, then don't treat children/teens like adults.

Well I disagree, and again, because young Canucks perhaps are different enough from young Aussies. We do live right next to Murica, and they don't call us Murica Lite for nothing. There's plenty of truth to the nickname.

Negative ads and campaigns should be reduced yes, but it's next to impossible to weed that out entirely. I get what you mean though. The less of that the better. We need leaders focused on idea's and the future, which Pierre did a decent job of after the fear campaign against Trudeau.

The negative campaigning from Pierre against Trudeau worked and worked well. Almost too well. It didn't backfire though, because shortly after Carney took over, Pierre shifted to a message of change and hope. That's all he ever kept bringing up during the campaign period, change and hope. Where as Carney doubled down on the negativity, and used Trump destroying Canada as the ultimate fear tactic, and it again, worked too well.

I don't disagree that a system more so like AUS has could maybe work in CAN (need to do much more research on that), but it would be too much of a change all at once. Won't really be where it needs to for a generation or two. The only way I could see it being implemented where it could work and wouldn't be shot down, is by easing it into place piece by piece over time, which would be messy during that time period, until it was fully implemented and the younger generations, and newer politicians were used to it.

The media needs to be sorted as you say, or the overall narrative amongst the people needs to become to disregard the media, at least when it comes to politics. Showing people opinion polls on who everyone is supposedly voting for is so stupid. All it's 'good for' as to the people, is manipulating those who don't know who to vote for. If people can't think for themselves then they shouldn't be voting. Without that mindset in place, no political system would be worth a damn. Trying to teach kids as you were, would seem like a good idea, but based on our edu system, I wouldn't trust them to do a good enough job, if not make things worse.

I agree, morality in modern society is a rarity. So screwed up that plenty, in some cases, think they're doing something moral when they're not. Yes accountability is sorely needed, across the board. If not, the only path forward without the parties and voters running everything into the ground by playing keep away with negative rhetoric, instead of good idea's and positivity, is separating, and then working together where applicable. That way politics is no longer really a conflict, or a very minor one at worst. What happens in Alberta over the next 4 years will likely let us know if that's an option.

Yikes, apparently the Coalition (Liberals + Nationals) had the worst results of any major party in Australia since the 1940s.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-04/election-result-labor-victory-positive-future/105247606

They even did poorly in states like Tasmania and Queensland which are typically their strongest.

They really need to go back to the drawing board, reflect, and figure out how to better address the country's needs cos it's clear that Australia does not want what they currently offer.

Hopefully we get a new Liberal leader with more vision and integrity than Dutton.