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Otter said:
Phenomajp13 said:

Japan buys more gaming consoles than any other country besides the US. Switch also sold more in Japan than PS4 did in the US. That doesn't sound like a declining market, just a dying PS market which brings down the 3rd parties that support it. Hence why we see some of them pivoting.

Decline is relative to where it was, not to other nations. So if in 2013 you had Japanese market encapsulate 

DS: 32m
Wii:12m
PS3:9m
PSP:11m
360:1m

Does the current market match up? Of course it doesn't but as mentioned I think software sales is more interesting because its clear hardware has been consolidated and that doesn't necessarily mean loss of interest. Hardware won't take into account PC either which is adjacent to the console market. So again it's a genuine question to look at the overall state of the japanese market and not just Nintendo peaking

This is a ridiculous post because that same generation had similar declines in all of the markets. So why only show Japan declined since then?



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Phenomajp13 said:
Otter said:

Decline is relative to where it was, not to other nations. So if in 2013 you had Japanese market encapsulate 

DS: 32m
Wii:12m
PS3:9m
PSP:11m
360:1m

Does the current market match up? Of course it doesn't but as mentioned I think software sales is more interesting because its clear hardware has been consolidated and that doesn't necessarily mean loss of interest. Hardware won't take into account PC either which is adjacent to the console market. So again it's a genuine question to look at the overall state of the japanese market and not just Nintendo peaking

This is a ridiculous post because that same generation had similar declines in all of the markets. So why only show Japan declined since then?

Lol, this is bad faith conversation because I literally state the bolded "its clear hardware has been consolidated and that doesn't necessarily mean loss of interest"... I just think you're fighting in a corner verses having an actual conversation



Otter said:
Phenomajp13 said:

This is a ridiculous post because that same generation had similar declines in all of the markets. So why only show Japan declined since then?

Lol, this is bad faith conversation because I literally state the bolded "its clear hardware has been consolidated and that doesn't necessarily mean loss of interest"... I just think you're fighting in a corner verses having an actual conversation

Says the individual that only cared to respond to the posters that suggested another poster saying the Japanese market is dead is flatout wrong. We responded to that poster with a thriving/increasing Nintendo market. You then made a comparison showing the highest generation in history compared to now. You realize you appear to be defending the idea the poster was right about a dead Japanese market? Since we are ofcourse talking about the console market, how are you not understanding that just because PS is declining doesn't mean the market is dead? Nintendo is increasing along with don't we have reports of the PC market growing?

Edit: The poster said the market was dead, not just declining.

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Phenomajp13 said:
Otter said:

Lol, this is bad faith conversation because I literally state the bolded "its clear hardware has been consolidated and that doesn't necessarily mean loss of interest"... I just think you're fighting in a corner verses having an actual conversation

Says the individual that only cared to respond to the posters that suggested another poster saying the Japanese market is dead/dying. We responded to that poster with a thriving/increasing Nintendo market. You then made a comparison showing the highest generation in history compared to now. You realize you appear to be defending the idea the poster was right about a dead/dying Japanese market? Since we are ofcourse talking about the console market, how are you not understanding that just because PS is declining doesn't mean the market is dying? Nintendo is increasing along with don't we have reports of the PC market growing?

Fair enough, Maybe I jumbled some of my posts so my sentiment wasn't clear. I don't agree with that user, the very first thing I said was:

1. "The *Console* gaming market is certainly not dead but it has to be looked at as a holistic whole, not any individual platform or publisher....
In the digital age I'm not sure we ever got a clear picture with what is happening with Japanese software overall. I'm very curious to know whether its been stable, declining or increasing."

2. I had decline in my mind when I responded to you and you said "You can't sell more hardware in a declining market for one."

We agree it's not dead. 



konnichiwa said:
160rmf said:

Who cares? Don't you know that the japonese market is dead? 

Well are weekly Funeral Shibousu Sales then also death?

Dead as dodo, unfortunately 



 

 

We reap what we sow

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Otter said:
Phenomajp13 said:

Says the individual that only cared to respond to the posters that suggested another poster saying the Japanese market is dead/dying. We responded to that poster with a thriving/increasing Nintendo market. You then made a comparison showing the highest generation in history compared to now. You realize you appear to be defending the idea the poster was right about a dead/dying Japanese market? Since we are ofcourse talking about the console market, how are you not understanding that just because PS is declining doesn't mean the market is dying? Nintendo is increasing along with don't we have reports of the PC market growing?

Fair enough, Maybe I jumbled some of my posts so my sentiment wasn't clear. I don't agree with that user, the very first thing I said was:

1. "The *Console* gaming market is certainly not dead but it has to be looked at as a holistic whole, not any individual platform or publisher....
In the digital age I'm not sure we ever got a clear picture with what is happening with Japanese software overall. I'm very curious to know whether its been stable, declining or increasing."

2. I had decline in my mind when I responded to you and you said "You can't sell more hardware in a declining market for one."

We agree it's not dead. 

Just to be clear we do agree on the market isn't dead and there isn't enough proof the market isn't declining as a whole or increasing as a whole because we don't have the data. I did see those post from you and honestly always knew this is what you were getting at. Nintendo thriving doesn't prove the Japanese market is growing. I just want to point out I don't think a consolidating market = a declining market but I can understand why people do think that can be the same. Hard to judge because its a 3 man race with one of them always being niche (Xbox) and PS declining for years but with Nintendo growing, it's very hard to judge.

Also the other poster said that and you are right you can sell more hardware in a declining market but some people will just view it as consolidation especially with a competitor increasing.

That poster that said the Japanese market is dead conveniently doesn't view the western market as dead eventhough Xbox is dying without PS increasing. Shouldn't that suggest the western market is dying if they want to be consistent? This is why I wanted you to distance yourself from them, you are not like them. They are trolling while you want a legitimate conversation.

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Otter said:
Sephiran said:

But if Nintendo has managed to buck the trend in that specific market, and getting a bigger slice of the pie, that just means that third parties and Sony are doing something wrong, and Nintendo is doing some things right. After all, while Final Fantasy has declined massively over the years in Japan, Pokemon or even Pikmin has grown. There was nothing preventing third parties from not suffering a massive decline in Japan. What happened was that Japanese third parties placed all their bets on Sony and Playstation, so when Playstation declined in Japan, they all declined together with Playstation in the Japanese market.

I want to regurgitate the fact that its almost impossible to find any market that buys as much console hardware as the Japanese market, on a per capita basis. That means if one states that Japan is a declining market for consoles, then we don't really have any good market for consoles left in the world.

And that can still equate to a market decline. Market declines often have reasons, they're not anomalies without explanation. As far as explanations go, that is also why I wrote

"Was it just that not enough developers were making titles for Japans preferred platform or has tastes shifted in such a way where the market is in dominated by only select few titles etc."

The qualitative analysis is honestly a lot to to get into but ultimately a discussion in itself. If Japanese taste has skewed in a way where they are loosing interesting in most gaming outside of Nintendo, or developers have skewed their games in a way where they are loosing japanese gamers, that is still a decline in interest. If only a select few third parties can break 1m, that reflects a decline from where we were. How easily that can be reversed (if it needs reversing), is an interesting question.

But using the perspective you are using. The console market is declining everywhere, given that current gen consoles will not sell near the amount the Wii, Xbox 360, DS, PSP and PS3 generation did. So yes one could say the Japanese console market is declining, just as it is declining on every country on earth by that same metric. That doesn't say anything specific regarding the Japanese console market though, like that user was trying to frame it towards.



Sephiran said:

But using the perspective you are using. The console market is declining everywhere, given that current gen consoles will not sell near the amount the Wii, Xbox 360, DS, PSP and PS3 generation did. So yes one could say the Japanese console market is declining, just as it is declining on every country on earth by that same metric. That doesn't say anything specific regarding the Japanese console market though, like that user was trying to frame it towards.

I mean, the decline is significantly bigger in Japan than everywhere else, especially software sales, but part of that is to be expected for a country with declining demographics.

So it might be still proportional to other markets once that is taken into account. Maybe.



 

 

 

 

 

haxxiy said:
Sephiran said:

But using the perspective you are using. The console market is declining everywhere, given that current gen consoles will not sell near the amount the Wii, Xbox 360, DS, PSP and PS3 generation did. So yes one could say the Japanese console market is declining, just as it is declining on every country on earth by that same metric. That doesn't say anything specific regarding the Japanese console market though, like that user was trying to frame it towards.

I mean, the decline is significantly bigger in Japan than everywhere else, especially software sales, but part of that is to be expected for a country with declining demographics.

So it might be still proportional to other markets once that is taken into account. Maybe.

But its still weird to single out Japan as some kind of bad market for consoles, when its hard to find any market in the world that buys more consoles on a per capita basis. Imagine how much more consoles would be selling WW if say Europe bought consoles on the same level as Japan per capita.



Sephiran said:

But its still weird to single out Japan as some kind of bad market for consoles, when its hard to find any market in the world that buys more consoles on a per capita basis. Imagine how much more consoles would be selling WW if say Europe bought consoles on the same level as Japan per capita.

That's true. Or the rest of the world, for that matter, which should have been at least twice as large as it is compared to the PS2 days.