I saw Rol's post. You're lying.

I don't understand. Lying about what? That people in this thread have said that? You don't have to go that far back to see people saying exactly that.

You of all posters calling me a fanboy is hilarious. You fly off the handle anytime anyone criticizes Nintendo. What part of my post is console warring? Showing a double standard of the community? And no, I'm not sure how pointing out different community reactions means I think Nintendo fans should stop posting. That's a ridiculous reach and literally a console warrior mindset. 

Everyone can see how many "imaginary posters" have agreed with the OP. But let me ask you this, the next time Sony raises the price on anything, I can say inflation, and argument is over? Do you think that's conductive to any general discussion on this website? If you are going to make more assumptions, throw out the word fanboy hypocritically, without addressing this very point, then just don't reply. 

By the way, I actually own the Switch and dozens of games for it, since I bought it in October. Do you even own any other console/PC? I'm also interested to know why you have no issues with other Nintendo fans bringing up PS5/Xbox long before my first post? Someone literally derailed it on the first page but you want to become unhinged on me. Is that not console warring? Do you think its okay as long as Nintendo isn't criticized? Please answer these questions. You truly are the beacon of neutrality on this website!

If you own the game already, you only have to buy the upgrade to the Switch 2 version, which isn't anywhere near $80.

People didn't say the prices are that because many people already own the games. They said many people already own the games and thus won't care. No correlation. It doesn't get more simple than that.

It's not hard to comprehend, you can't prove you have shown a double standard. Thats why you refuse to quote anyone. You are projecting your console warrior thoughts and mentality onto others. There is no double standard, people are allowed to express their opinions just like you. The reactions to PS5 and reactions to Switch 2 are irrelevant. A Sony fan like yourself gets bent out of shape about anything revolving Nintendo. Someone criztized Sony and you are projecting your nonsense onto Switch 2. 

As for PS5, yes lol I don't see anything wrong about Sony raising the price for whatever reason. Thats their decision, call out the nonsense towards Sony the same way I would about Nintendo. Rol agrees or did you not see the end of Rols post saying gaming costs has to go up with the budgets. You will not see me in that thread because I don't see anything wrong. You are a consumer and can choose from there. 

I don't think I have been following the entire thread so your post was one of the first. Pretty sure you aren't the only person I quoted here but maybe you are and I quoted others in other threads involving Switch 2. There does that answer your questions?

Why do you keep saying I need to quote somebody? There are 20 people that liked Rol's opening post! Literally the first post in this thread. The first time you click on this thread, you will read that post, you literally can't miss it lol. Again, the point is inflation isn't the end all argument to this sort of discussion, as we've seen many times in past threads. 

And no dude, I really don't care if Nintendo jacks up their prices, as I posted on this very thread, and saying I get bent out of shape for anything Nintendo is straight up wrong. You would realize that if you actually posted in the official Nintendo thread. 

Sure. But I shouldn't have to.

With Xbox if you buy an Xbox One game and drop it into an Xbox One X, you often got a free upgrade, which was downloaded as an update via Smart Delivery, that scheme continued on when you dropped an Xbox One game in the Xbox Series S and the Xbox Series X.

Things like improved resolution and framerates were also free for Original Xbox and Xbox 360 games on successive consoles.
This is the Pro-Consumer route to take.

On PC, we often got enhancements and improvements completely free.
For example if you had Grand Theft Auto V Legacy on Steam you can get a free upgrade to the Enhanced Edition.

It's usually only when games are a flatout remake that they tend to charge a price, which is fair.

Irrelevant. I break up posts to make replying to specific points a more coherent affair.
Don't twist my words.

And correct, if a game is sold at a higher price then it needs to include everything in a Deluxe/Complete/Anniversary edition or whatever.
I am simply building a framework for my pro-consumer argument that applies to all games, all platforms, no excuses. - I am not specifically asserting that Kirby is or isn't including extra content, that argument I reserved for Zelda to showcase as an example.

If Kirby isn't including extra content, then the base game needs to be sold at a lower price as it's a last generation game.
If it is including extra content in it's package, then I would have the expectation it's sold at a better price more in line with the original Switch release.

I am not pretending I have looked into the nuances of what is/isn't included with Kirby as it's a franchise I don't follow or personally play.

Pricing is clearly a problem.

Actually a massive problem, hence you tried to make a thread arguing why it's a good thing, when it clearly is not... It's dominating the gaming news discussion across the planet, that's how big of a problem it is.

I own Breath of the Wild on WiiU.
I own Breath of the Wild on Switch.

I -would- have bought the game on Switch 2 if it actually included extra content at the same price... Or came in at a lower price as it's a 2 generation old title.
That's clearly not the case, Nintendo misses out on a sale.

I don't pay for subscription services... And once NSO runs out or Nintendo shuts down it's servers, you lose access to that content anyway.

I have zero issue with Nintendo not dropping their prices.

I do have an issue when Nintendo takes a 2 generation old game and tries to sell it to us at a higher price with zero effort or extra content.

And you should as well.

You are a consumer. Support pro-consumer, not anti-consumer practices, Nintendo doesn't care about you as an individual, if you were to die tomorrow, they won't know or care, so why the undying loyalty?

No. Nintendo's profits shouldn't be our concern, it makes no difference to us as consumers. If Nintendo's profits doubled, will we see better games? No. No we won't.

Your argument is anti-consumer and that is a path I cannot support.

What would have been awesome is if Nintendo packaged Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom as a duo-pack with all DLC. THAT would have justified the higher price of a cart. That would have been pro-consumer.

And that is what any other sane company would have done by selling it as a "collection".

The WiiU to Switch was a dramatic change in hardware, OS and API and more, there was a lot of legitimate work that needed to be done to port from the WiiU's IBM PowerPC+Radeon VLIW to ARM Cortex+Geforce Maxwell.

Switch to Switch 2 is basically fully backwards compatible at almost every level, unfortunately you can't shove a WiiU disc into the Switch 1 cart, but you can shove a Switch 1 cart into the Switch 2.
..And this is where the differences across those 3 generations lay, Switch 2 is a refinement of what was good and successful about the Switch, they are not reinventing the wheel like what they did with the jump from WiiU to Switch.

That does mean I will be expecting *more* from Nintendo as a result of that when it comes to ports and re-releases.

There is more to the MicroSD to MicroSD Express jump.

MicroSD uses UHS, in the Switch 1 specific case it uses UHS-I - which tends to fall over when handling multiple transfers at the same time as it's literally a single lane between the MicroSD device and the system.

UHS-II and UHS-III are Two Lanes and Full Duplex so they can handle concurrent transfers in both directions a little better, but they do top out at 624MB/s.

SD Express uses a full PCI-Express connection, which is why it requires new devices to specifically support it.
It also supports future growth as a PCI-E 4.0 2x lane SD express can theoretically support 3940MB/s of bandwidth... (This is not what the Switch 2 has however) It also doesn't fall over/tank in performance as significantly as UHS-I when lots of transfers or random transfers start to take place.

SD Express is also significantly lower latency, which is super important for gaming when doing lots of random reads/writes.

We also need to remember that Nintendo also (thankfully!) upgraded the internal storage from eMMC on the Switch to a full UFS implementation... Which brings advantages like Command Queue (CQ) that allows for parallel processing of commands, leading to faster data transfer.

That and the original Switch had a half-duplex interface, which means it can only either read or write at a time, similar to MicroSD, which actually is a significant reason why the UI and online store is so clunky.

That all goes away on the Switch 2.

It's not always about the maximum sequential reads/writes, it's also about the random read/write, which is the first big main advantage that solid state storage brought us over mechanical and optical drives in the first place.

Which is why my old PC with an OCZ Vertex SSD back 15 years ago feels as responsive as a Series S/X or Playstation 5, despite being hamstrung to a SATA interface. It's the latency and random reads/writes.

For load times, the Switch 2 is likely to be bottlenecked by the CPU anyway.

We are unlikely to see much of a discernible real-world difference between PCI-E 3.1 and PCI-E 4.0 when it comes to SD Express, Most SD Express cards aren't exceeding 1GB/s.

I will be glad to see the ass-end of MicroSD UHS and eMMC.

Ever used a laptop with an eMMC as it's primary storage? Absolute useless pieces of junk, especially when they are equipped with low amounts of DRAM which causes lots of reads/writes to a page file, making performance tank.

The argument I put forth is the upgrade should be free as it's not providing any content.

You need to quote them because so far you are making assumptions about the posters in here calling the Switch 2 pricing being no big deal wouldn't say the same about PS5 price hikes. You are claiming there is a double standard without really backing it up. Regardless, so what? You are allowed to feel the price increases are unjustified and others are allowed to feel they are due to inflation. Random posters on the internet are finacial advisors now! Consumers will make their choice and so far it's selling out. 

What was a WiiU game? In Australia, the price has kind of been the same for the last 2 generations, so no inflectional increases till now.

There is also another group, I been advocating for $1000 consoles so we can see significant generational jumps compared to what we are seeing atm. I'd happily pay way more for 4k games if that become the norm, as it costs more to make and developers wages are always increasing.