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G2ThaUNiT said:
LegitHyperbole said:

Wow. Will we get FSR4 in PS5 games? Is it possible games already released could be patched?

FSR4 is based on RDNA4 architecture, and the PS5 is RDNA2 based with the Pro being what Cerny described as somewhere in-between RDNA 2 and 3. So for PS5 to get FSR4, it would've required a complete replacement of graphics architecture, which would be a practical impossibility at this point. It would be a 10th gen addition.

Probably why Sony opted for PSSR with the Pro.

Damn. Bring on the ps6. Sooooon. 



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AMD CPU and Nvidia GPU.

Or full AMD build if you're on a budget.



CPU: Ryzen 9950X
GPU: MSI 4090 SUPRIM X 24G
Motherboard: MSI MEG X670E GODLIKE
RAM: CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM 32GB DDR5
SSD: Kingston FURY Renegade 4TB
Gaming Console: PLAYSTATION 5 Pro
Azzanation said:
JRPGfan said:

The type of memory doesn't matter at all.... only the size (because you can run into situations where your then limited by amount of ram).

The 5070ti does use alot less power.
If you care about using like ~80watts less when gaming, yes that is a valid argument.
The thing is, the 600$ for the AMD card, vs the ~1300$ current price for the Nvidia card....
means it will take awhile before the power consumption differnce earns itself back.

Like how long would you need to play a game for 80watts to cost like 700$ ?
Years?

Well GDDR7 will be faster Ram which will mean you won't need asmuch. But I do like the sound of 16gigs over 12gigs.

Yeah I understand to make up the power output would take awhile but that could also lead to the Nvidia card running cooler meaning it most likely have a longer life span ontop of being cheaper to run. It's still a neat advantage.

You could also just move to Antarctica.



LegitHyperbole said:
G2ThaUNiT said:

FSR4 is based on RDNA4 architecture, and the PS5 is RDNA2 based with the Pro being what Cerny described as somewhere in-between RDNA 2 and 3. So for PS5 to get FSR4, it would've required a complete replacement of graphics architecture, which would be a practical impossibility at this point. It would be a 10th gen addition.

Probably why Sony opted for PSSR with the Pro.

Damn. Bring on the ps6. Sooooon. 



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JRPGfan said:
Azzanation said:

Well GDDR7 will be faster Ram which will mean you won't need asmuch. But I do like the sound of 16gigs over 12gigs.

Yeah I understand to make up the power output would take awhile but that could also lead to the Nvidia card running cooler meaning it most likely have a longer life span ontop of being cheaper to run. It's still a neat advantage.

Faster ram just effects memory bandwidth.... not how much of it is needed (to play a game at certain resolutions).
This is why people say don't buy the 5070.... because it has to little ram on it.

GDDR7 means the ram can run faster, and use less power (earning nvidia some performance (from memory bandwidth) and some power savings).
However it costs more than GDDR6 (I think?).

So it comes with a trade off... however, it doesn't mean you need less ram pool (in size) because it moves faster.
This just means, you suffer less performance at higher resolutions where memory bandwidth play a bigger role.
Ironically, at 4k the margins close in AMD's favor with these cards.

This means you miss understood what ram is and does, which is fair enough.... that is why I'm pointing this out for you in this post.

The it runs cooler because of this is also kinda faulty logic.
The cooling has to do with the power comsumption/heat generated AND how good the cooler is.

Running at less power, you can trade off your advantage, for a smaller cheaper cooler = money saved = more profits.
Which is what NVIDIA choose to do.

This is the same with the GDDR7, by using faster and less power hungry RAM, they can use a smaller bit bus with their chip, while still having good enough memory bandwidth.  Thus allowing them to make a smaller cheaper chip (size is smaller as a choice of this = cheaper = more profits).

Everything is just design choices with trade offs, that nvidia usually take for profit margins sake.
Nvidia could choose to not gimp their cards with poor video card ram pools, but choose not too, to force people to buy higher priced cards, and to have better profits on selling the cards.  Its all by design, that way.

"most likely have a longer life span ontop of being cheaper to run. It's still a neat advantage."

Just like there is "designed to fail" concepts that design hardware to last until a bit after warranty lasts, so they can sell you another, when it breaks.
There is something called "Planned obsolescence" where a product loses performance and becomes slower and slower as time goes on.

This is something that plagues Nvidia cards more than AMD ones.

Typically some of this is due to AMD drivers improving more over time, than nvidia ones, that launch closer to prefection (compaired to possible performance you can squeeze out of the card).... however some also think, nvidia actively purposefully make changes that hurt older cards in drivers and such, to force you to upgrade.

This is why there is the expression "...AMD ages like fine wine"  when it comes to GPUs.
They give more video card ram (which typically means future proofing) and AMD don't do any of this "planned obsolescence" stuff.

When a generation or two, passes by and you "re-test" (benchmark) these old cards again, against one another, you typically see AMD ones performing better, than they did at launch against nvidia ones. Ei. AMD ages better in terms of performance.

The RX 6000 Series versus the RTX 3000 Series is a good example of this. Nvidia, as usual, skimped on VRAM. The RX 6000 cards (6700 & 6800 series in particular) from AMD pulled away from the RTX 3000 cards in newer games due the cards choking on a lack of VRAM. The 3070 and 3070Ti versus the RX 6800 being the prime example. Nvidia went with 8GB of VRAM. AMD went with 16GB. When newer titles like the RE2 Remake dropped the 70 cards suffered. There are some talented modders in Brazil that doubled the VRAM on Nvidia cards and it showed that the VRAM, or lack their of, was the biggest factor inhibiting performance. You can see this to a lesser degree on rare ocassions with the RTX 3060. The original version of that card has 12GB of VRAM and there are cases were the 4060 which has a faster chip, lags behind because of its saddled with 8GB of VRAM.

I think the AMD "Fine Wine" has more to do with games being optimized to run on Nvidia hardware. So AMD's drivers have to try to make up for that fact. 

Side note: The upcoming 60 class cards (5060 and 9060) are going to be wastes of sand if they are still stuck with 8GB of VRAM.



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Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:
Azzanation said:

So we hear, but the advantages of the 5070Ti is its 12gigs of GDDR7 while the 9070TX has 16gigs of GDDR6. Plus the 5070Ti uses alot less power to achieve similar results.

Remember 5070 Ti has 16GB of GDDR7. 5070 (non-Ti) has 12GB of Vram.

Oh, is the Ti 16gigs? I didn't know that, I keep seeing the 12gig thrown around as i assumed the Base and Ti used the same. That's pretty decent. I'll assume the Ti has an improved memory bus over the base model aswell due to the increase,



If you want efficiency the 9070 non-XT is worth a look. It's only slightly cheaper on paper, but it's efficient and generally more compact which gives you more options and room to save on your build. And it actually has 16GB Vram.

If you can get a 9070 at MSRP it's really not a bad deal in the current market. But you can always just wait for the market to hopefully re-adjust and expand your options.



Shaunodon said:

If you want efficiency the 9070 non-XT is worth a look. It's only slightly cheaper on paper, but it's efficient and generally more compact which gives you more options and room to save on your build. And it actually has 16GB Vram.

If you can get a 9070 at MSRP it's really not a bad deal in the current market. But you can always just wait for the market to hopefully re-adjust and expand your options.

Yeah, however, the power advantage of the XT for such a small price gain is really worth it over the base model. Yeah it chews through more power but the preformance gains is all but worth it.

What is impressive about the 5070 is the low power consumption and still delivers a slightly more better experience over the 9070. 

But I'm leaning more on AMD so far with my upgrade than Nvidia based on they seem to actually be trying unlike the other, who are in cruise control.



Azzanation said:
Shaunodon said:

If you want efficiency the 9070 non-XT is worth a look. It's only slightly cheaper on paper, but it's efficient and generally more compact which gives you more options and room to save on your build. And it actually has 16GB Vram.

If you can get a 9070 at MSRP it's really not a bad deal in the current market. But you can always just wait for the market to hopefully re-adjust and expand your options.

Yeah, however, the power advantage of the XT for such a small price gain is really worth it over the base model. Yeah it chews through more power but the preformance gains is all but worth it.

What is impressive about the 5070 is the low power consumption and still delivers a slightly more better experience over the 9070. 

But I'm leaning more on AMD so far with my upgrade than Nvidia based on they seem to actually be trying unlike the other, who are in cruise control.

I assume you mean the 5070Ti. The 5070 non-Ti has been taking it in all holes this launch. The 9070 outperforms it in everything, even RT for most titles.



Shaunodon said:
Azzanation said:

Yeah, however, the power advantage of the XT for such a small price gain is really worth it over the base model. Yeah it chews through more power but the preformance gains is all but worth it.

What is impressive about the 5070 is the low power consumption and still delivers a slightly more better experience over the 9070. 

But I'm leaning more on AMD so far with my upgrade than Nvidia based on they seem to actually be trying unlike the other, who are in cruise control.

I assume you mean the 5070Ti. The 5070 non-Ti has been taking it in all holes this launch. The 9070 outperforms it in everything, even RT for most titles.

The Ti, correct. 16 gigs seems to be the way to go for future proofing the PC for next gen.