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Phenomajp13 on 15 January 2025
Pinkie_pie said:
Darc Requiem said:

You are missing a big issue. Software sales. Software sales for the PS5 have been atrocious in Japan. Previously Sony centric developers have been shifting over to Nintendo in Japan because their software is selling on Playstation. 

Much higher digital rate (it's why they now got the digital edition), new ps plus subscription tiers, more f2p games. All these Sony is making record profits with the PS5. But seriously we getting this every week of every year from Nintendo fans how Sony is failing. Nintendo always does better than Sony in Japan mainly because of being portable.  This generation it looks even worse for Sony because of how dominant the Switch is . Until Sony console start selling at N64, GC or Wii U level or sell a few million less than previous generation then we shouldn't worry about it every week

What up about Vita level ;)



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Pinkie_pie on 15 January 2025
Phenomajp13 said:
Pinkie_pie said:

Much higher digital rate (it's why they now got the digital edition), new ps plus subscription tiers, more f2p games. All these Sony is making record profits with the PS5. But seriously we getting this every week of every year from Nintendo fans how Sony is failing. Nintendo always does better than Sony in Japan mainly because of being portable.  This generation it looks even worse for Sony because of how dominant the Switch is . Until Sony console start selling at N64, GC or Wii U level or sell a few million less than previous generation then we shouldn't worry about it every week

What up about Vita level ;)

Vita was a failure worldwide but it being portable still managed to sell 6 million in Japan. That's over 40% of its lifetime sales . Also it's why Sony stopped making portable console just like Nintendo stop making traditional home console 



Pinkie_pie on 15 January 2025
Phenomajp13 said:
Pinkie_pie said:

Much higher digital rate (it's why they now got the digital edition), new ps plus subscription tiers, more f2p games. All these Sony is making record profits with the PS5. But seriously we getting this every week of every year from Nintendo fans how Sony is failing. Nintendo always does better than Sony in Japan mainly because of being portable.  This generation it looks even worse for Sony because of how dominant the Switch is . Until Sony console start selling at N64, GC or Wii U level or sell a few million less than previous generation then we shouldn't worry about it every week

What up about Vita level ;)

Vita level was still above N64, GC and Wii U in Japan ;)



curl-6 on 15 January 2025

Thing is, you don't have to sacrifice Japanese sales to sell well in the West, or Western sales to sell well in Japan.
Nintendo shows you can do both.



Darc Requiem on 15 January 2025
Pinkie_pie said:
Darc Requiem said:

You are missing a big issue. Software sales. Software sales for the PS5 have been atrocious in Japan. Previously Sony centric developers have been shifting over to Nintendo in Japan because their software is selling on Playstation. 

Much higher digital rate (it's why they now got the digital edition), new ps plus subscription tiers, more f2p games. All these Sony is making record profits with the PS5. But seriously we getting this every week of every year from Nintendo fans how Sony is failing. Nintendo always does better than Sony in Japan mainly because of being portable.  This generation it looks even worse for Sony because of how dominant the Switch is . Until Sony console start selling at N64, GC or Wii U level or sell a few million less than previous generation then we shouldn't worry about it every week

Japan has the lowest digital rate of the three major markets. You can't explain away their piss poor sales by pointing to digital. More over, Nintendo's digital sales aren't being taken into account either. Sony just isn't selling software. Sony stalwarts like Falcom wouldn't be shifting to Nintendo if the software sales were hidden by the lack of digital sales numbers. Sony's not having the rosy time you are portraying. If they were, they wouldn't be putting their games on PC. Which is going to lower the ceiling on the number Playstation consoles they can sell. And lower it with the consumers that have the most disposable income. Could be worse, they could be Microsoft. A company that lowered the ceiling of Xbox consoles sales by putting their games on PC and compounded their tomfoolery by training their remaining audience to not buy games and sign up for Gamepass.



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Otter on 15 January 2025
curl-6 said:

Thing is, you don't have to sacrifice Japanese sales to sell well in the West, or Western sales to sell well in Japan.
Nintendo shows you can do both.

A good question to ask would be what sells well in Japan. And without using Nintendo as an adjective?



Pinkie_pie on 15 January 2025
Darc Requiem said:
Pinkie_pie said:

Much higher digital rate (it's why they now got the digital edition), new ps plus subscription tiers, more f2p games. All these Sony is making record profits with the PS5. But seriously we getting this every week of every year from Nintendo fans how Sony is failing. Nintendo always does better than Sony in Japan mainly because of being portable.  This generation it looks even worse for Sony because of how dominant the Switch is . Until Sony console start selling at N64, GC or Wii U level or sell a few million less than previous generation then we shouldn't worry about it every week

Japan has the lowest digital rate of the three major markets. You can't explain away their piss poor sales by pointing to digital. More over, Nintendo's digital sales aren't being taken into account either. Sony just isn't selling software. Sony stalwarts like Falcom wouldn't be shifting to Nintendo if the software sales were hidden by the lack of digital sales numbers. Sony's not having the rosy time you are portraying. If they were, they wouldn't be putting their games on PC. Which is going to lower the ceiling on the number Playstation consoles they can sell. And lower it with the consumers that have the most disposable income. Could be worse, they could be Microsoft. A company that lowered the ceiling of Xbox consoles sales by putting their games on PC and compounded their tomfoolery by training their remaining audience to not buy games and sign up for Gamepass.

Surely you would know Sony has higher digital attach rate than Nintendo. PS5 is on track to sell around PS3 and PS4 number in Japan. They are still buying it to play games or are they just using it to play DVD? Whether it's the higher digital rate, the new ps plus subscription tiers or more f2p games it doesn't matter since Sony reported they are making record profits with the PS5. You all are acting like Japan is the world but when the generation end PS5 will still sell over a billion software units just like all previous Sony's home consoles



curl-6 on 15 January 2025
Otter said:
curl-6 said:

Thing is, you don't have to sacrifice Japanese sales to sell well in the West, or Western sales to sell well in Japan.
Nintendo shows you can do both.

A good question to ask would be what sells well in Japan. And without using Nintendo as an adjective?

Japan seems to favour more visually stylized ("cartoony") games that emphasize gameplay over spectacle or realism.



Otter on 15 January 2025
Darc Requiem said:
Pinkie_pie said:

Much higher digital rate (it's why they now got the digital edition), new ps plus subscription tiers, more f2p games. All these Sony is making record profits with the PS5. But seriously we getting this every week of every year from Nintendo fans how Sony is failing. Nintendo always does better than Sony in Japan mainly because of being portable.  This generation it looks even worse for Sony because of how dominant the Switch is . Until Sony console start selling at N64, GC or Wii U level or sell a few million less than previous generation then we shouldn't worry about it every week

Japan has the lowest digital rate of the three major markets. You can't explain away their piss poor sales by pointing to digital. More over, Nintendo's digital sales aren't being taken into account either. Sony just isn't selling software. Sony stalwarts like Falcom wouldn't be shifting to Nintendo if the software sales were hidden by the lack of digital sales numbers. Sony's not having the rosy time you are portraying. If they were, they wouldn't be putting their games on PC. Which is going to lower the ceiling on the number Playstation consoles they can sell. And lower it with the consumers that have the most disposable income. Could be worse, they could be Microsoft. A company that lowered the ceiling of Xbox consoles sales by putting their games on PC and compounded their tomfoolery by training their remaining audience to not buy games and sign up for Gamepass.

They are objectively having one of the rosiest time in their entire history though. They announced plans to support PC right after they achieved 3, 20million sellers on PS4 and their second best year on record at the time.

As always, Sony/Nintendo/MS' actual interests go beyond a lot of our preferences for them to just hit the highest possible unit numbers. They're looking at long term preservation & growth which looks different to each of them. For example Sony didn't ship any high selling exclusives in 2015 and still sold 16m PS4's. Nintendo on the other hand wouldn't be to able to shift notable hardware without their own exclusives first selling that hardware. For this reason something like PC support makes sense for Sony to consider but not for Nintendo.

Last edited by Otter - on 15 January 2025

JohnVG on 15 January 2025
Pinkie_pie said:
JohnVG said:

Nope, DS and Wii won PSP and PS3 there.

What about the Wii U and PS4 in Japan? I don't think the Wii U outsold the PS4 in Japan every year they were completing 

No, but 3DS did. Outsold PS4 and Vita, together, by far.

Also..., don't think PS4 sold "that good" in Japan: It was the worst domestic Playstation there. Until now.