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Hardstuck-Platinum said:
Cobretti2 said:

24 pages in an I am still trying to work out the end aim of this discussion lol.

Is it to say Switch shouldn't be compared to PS2 sales as it's portable or is it to troll?

If we going to stretch bows at extra functions, why not stretch the PS2 to be a DVD player (so cut out some "console sales" or Sony's much higher failure rate compare to Nintendo consoles so having to buy extra units.

At the d of the day it would appear most thee gaming community have accepted it's a hybrid.

It's not a troll thread. If it was it would have been banned by now. The point was to prove how hypocritical everyone is being towards the switch and other handheld devices. The switch gets to qualify as a hybrid because it can be played on a TV, but the Sega Nomad/PSP/Steam deck/ROG ally don't. Total elitism towards one platform and total dismissal towards the others. Worst gaming hypocrisy I've seen

The PS2 games were stored on DVD's so it had to be a DVD player to function as a games console. 

The crazy part is that you don't even see how ridiculous you look for pushing back at something the companies that created these devices are calling them. Who are the people that disqualify them from being hybrids? Sony calls PSP a handheld, why do you get to determine the creators are wrong? Nintendo calls Switch a portable home console.



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Phenomajp13 said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

It's not a troll thread. If it was it would have been banned by now. The point was to prove how hypocritical everyone is being towards the switch and other handheld devices. The switch gets to qualify as a hybrid because it can be played on a TV, but the Sega Nomad/PSP/Steam deck/ROG ally don't. Total elitism towards one platform and total dismissal towards the others. Worst gaming hypocrisy I've seen

The PS2 games were stored on DVD's so it had to be a DVD player to function as a games console. 

The crazy part is that you don't even see how ridiculous you look for pushing back at something the companies that created these devices are calling them. Who are the people that disqualify them from being hybrids? Sony calls PSP a handheld, why do you get to determine the creators are wrong? Nintendo calls Switch a portable home console.

Why do you get to determine if the creators are right? It's free for interpretation



Hardstuck-Platinum said:
Phenomajp13 said:

The crazy part is that you don't even see how ridiculous you look for pushing back at something the companies that created these devices are calling them. Who are the people that disqualify them from being hybrids? Sony calls PSP a handheld, why do you get to determine the creators are wrong? Nintendo calls Switch a portable home console.

Why do you get to determine if the creators are right? It's free for interpretation

They created the product and they define the market. They are the ones telling the masses what it is and how to even use it. Maybe several of us didn't know the PSP could do what you described because Sony (the creators) told us what it is. You do realize they carry that much influence of our interpretation right? That's why Nintendo included everything they did in the box because Nintendo understands they have that much control over what people see and think of their product they put on sale. 



Hardstuck-Platinum said:

I didn't mean to come across condescending there but when you suggested that you are in the majority with your perception, there wasn't much else I could say. The Switch has a lot of popularity on this website so you are definitely in the majority.  It just acts as a "in conclusion, Im in the majority and your not so your probably wrong" kinda thing. Not a lot else you can say to that

Well that's not what I was trying to say. I was highlighting how you are going against the grain, so you need to find a really good argument for why marketing doesn't count. Because, so far, you haven't really given me any reason to discount marketing, use of the device, practicality, and public perception and the same seems to be true for the majority here. Saying those things don't count but not providing a sufficient argument as to why is not going to sway anyone to your side. 

Again, not saying you're objectively wrong, but I don't think your arguments are good enough to change my mind. 



The Switch was designed from the ground up to serve as both a handheld and a home console. That's how it was marketed. That's how it's used (according to Nintendo, about 50% of owners use both docked & handheld, 20% play primarily docked, and 30% play primarily handheld). That's what sets it apart from other portable systems that had an AV-out function. The PSP & Nomad were built from the ground up to be purely handheld systems, with the AV-out capability being an incidental bonus. It's like how the Wii U and PS5 were built from the ground up to serve as home consoles, and both having the ability to stream to a controller that has a screen on it doesn't somehow make them no longer home consoles (the Wii U gamepad couldn't go too far from the system, and the PS Portal is a fully optional accessory).

We can split hairs with "technically"s and "actually"s all day, but that doesn't change the fact that the Switch is its own unique thing that was designed to be the best of both worlds.



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Nintendo Switch is a home console. Nintendo Switch is also a portable console. Why is this? Because Nintendo Switch is a hybrid console, which is a home and portable console by definition. So, let's close this thread now! :) I've provided you, Hardstuck, with the definitive answer to your long thought-upon question.



Shadow1980 said:

The Switch was designed from the ground up to serve as both a handheld and a home console. That's how it was marketed. That's how it's used (according to Nintendo, about 50% of owners use both docked & handheld, 20% play primarily docked, and 30% play primarily handheld). That's what sets it apart from other portable systems that had an AV-out function. The PSP & Nomad were built from the ground up to be purely handheld systems, with the AV-out capability being an incidental bonus. It's like how the Wii U and PS5 were built from the ground up to serve as home consoles, and both having the ability to stream to a controller that has a screen on it doesn't somehow make them no longer home consoles (the Wii U gamepad couldn't go too far from the system, and the PS Portal is a fully optional accessory).

We can split hairs with "technically"s and "actually"s all day, but that doesn't change the fact that the Switch is its own unique thing that was designed to be the best of both worlds.

Well, you're a moderator so it's up to you if the thread stays up? I'll respect your decision if you don't want it to.    

If Nomad was built from the ground up to be a handheld, then why does it feature an extra controller port built into it's shell to support 2 player on the TV? sounds like it was designed for TV play as one of it's features. So, switch is not even close to being unique, it's just very popular on this website, and the Nomad isn't. That's the difference. 

But yeah, I don't want to argue with the mods because I'm already unpopular enough on this website. 



PSP output to a TV is more what a SEGA Mega Jet was. Like Nomad it was a Mega Drive in a handheld shape. The difference was it had no screen. It was just a big controller with a cartridge slot. It was meant for Airlines in Japan and was later sold at standard retail Japan only. Tho like Nomad it also had a second controller port.



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RolStoppable said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said: 

The super Game Boy was just a SNES cartridge with a slot for Gameboy games in it. How is that even remotely comparable? A cartridge can't function alone like the PSP/Switch/Nomad/ROG ally. Truth be told though, the Super game boy is a true hybrid system. The Gameboy cartridge used the extra power of the Snes to enhance it's games. That is what proper hybrid technology looks like, and I don't know why that concept is so hard for people to grasp. The Switch dock is just a phoney piece of plastic compared to the Super Game Boy. 

Well, now that was easy. Usually someone tries to keep up a pretence when they create a troll thread, but I suppose you are pretty exhausted by now.

First you say that the Super Game Boy was just an SNES cartridge and can't function alone, then right afterwards you call it a true hybrid system. At that point you either suffer from severe brain damage or you are trolling; there are no other options left. But since your mind was clear enough to dodge the main portion of my post which you can't argue against, the brain damage option can be ruled out too.

You are a troll, plain and simple.

I think this is the most likely scenario. 



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Otter said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

If there is hypocrisy that needs to be pointed out then it needs pointing out. Doesn't matter if I'm enjoying it or not

I promise you there's nothing to be gained by going back & forth endlessly with people on the definition of the Switch. If you're enjoying the convo then fair game, otherwise don't let you ego trap you into wasting your energy here

Ego is an awful thing. :( Idk what motivates Hardstuck to continue to this thread, he's literally just been in stuck in a never-ending argument...

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