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No, its sold primary as a mobile/portable device. Anything these days can connect to a TV. PSP can be considered a hybrid device.



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SuperJortendo said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

Just google/youtube overlocking the Switch. Lots of people have achieved it. 

TheRealSamusAran said:

I looked it up, where is that thing's built-in display for it to be a hybrid?

That thing is a PC that can turn into a home console if you flash an OS like Bazzite on it. I recently bought a Beelink to do exactly that.

There is no display on it. I am talking about the dock as it has a slot on it for a graphics card. My point is, what if a handheld system comes out, and is designed to work with a dock that can have a graphics card built into it. I feel that would be a true Hybrid system, but because we've already given that distinction away to a passthrough box/cable there is no category that we can put it in.  

That would make it an even better hybrid. But switch is still a hybrid. It gets a boost while docked, gives a full home console experience, etc.

The dock isn't responsible for the boosting though. It's just the switch recognising that it was put in the dock and switching to a different power profile. It's the switch that boosts itself, not the dock boosting the switch. The graphics card however would be actively functioning so how can they be put in the same category. If you put a graphics card in an old AGP slot and get bad performance and then take it out and put it in an PCI-E and get better performance,  you don't say the PCI-E is a hybrid interface because it allows the GPU to run better. You don't give credit to the PCI-E for boosting the performance of the card. It was just the AGP holding it back. Same thing with the switch. It's downclocked to run as a handheld, and then upclocked when docked. The switch is capable of both clock rates without the dock though. 

Mr.GameCrazy said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

Just google/youtube overlocking the Switch. Lots of people have achieved it.

Oh. That. I don't count overclocking as a feature for the Switch because that involves hacking the console. 

I'm not saying it's a feature, I'm just saying the hackers have clearly proven the switch is capable of running with higher clocks, dock or no dock. If Nintendo wanted to include a feature where you could increase the clocks without the dock, it would be very easily doable for them in an update. They just don't need to because the switch screen is 720p and most TV's are 1080p or 4k. So, they keep the feature exclusive to the dock solely because it's not necessary with a 720p output. 



Hardstuck-Platinum said:
SuperJortendo said:

That would make it an even better hybrid. But switch is still a hybrid. It gets a boost while docked, gives a full home console experience, etc.

The dock isn't responsible for the boosting though. It's just the switch recognising that it was put in the dock and switching to a different power profile. It's the switch that boosts itself, not the dock boosting the switch. The graphics card however would be actively functioning so how can they be put in the same category. If you put a graphics card in an old AGP slot and get bad performance and then take it out and put it in an PCI-E and get better performance,  you don't say the PCI-E is a hybrid interface because it allows the GPU to run better. You don't give credit to the PCI-E for boosting the performance of the card. It was just the AGP holding it back. Same thing with the switch. It's downclocked to run as a handheld, and then upclocked when docked. The switch is capable of both clock rates without the dock though. 

Mr.GameCrazy said:

Oh. That. I don't count overclocking as a feature for the Switch because that involves hacking the console. 

I'm not saying it's a feature, I'm just saying the hackers have clearly proven the switch is capable of running with higher clocks, dock or no dock. If Nintendo wanted to include a feature where you could increase the clocks without the dock, it would be very easily doable for them in an update. They just don't need to because the switch screen is 720p and most TV's are 1080p or 4k. So, they keep the feature exclusive to the dock solely because it's not necessary with a 720p output. 

Almost like they intentionally made it to be used as both a handheld and a home console. Weird how they would do such a thing right out of the box so seamlessly for a handheld. What's next, do they also allow split screen multi-player on this handheld? Multiple controllers able to be connected? Multiple controllers included in the box? An HDMI cord and a docking station to make connecting it to the TV so simple a child could do it? I mean, if they did all that why not just make it a home console? Nah that wouldn't make sense, I'm taking crazy. Disregard all that please.



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Hardstuck-Platinum said:
Zkuq said:

I feel like you're trying to make difference no one cares about you. Yes, it's a difference, but who cares?

I care. If a passthrough box/cable can count make a device into a hybrid what do we call the Beeling GTi12 ultra. It has no distinction now and this is why distinctions are important. People have taken away a category from real hybrids 

You're free to care, but somehow you managed to miss my very simple point.



Zkuq said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

I care. If a passthrough box/cable can count make a device into a hybrid what do we call the Beeling GTi12 ultra. It has no distinction now and this is why distinctions are important. People have taken away a category from real hybrids 

You're free to care, but somehow you managed to miss my very simple point.

"I feel like you're trying to make difference no one cares about you. Yes, it's a difference, but who cares?".  The first sentence has bad grammar and didn't make sense so I didn't understand what it meant. Trying to make difference no-one cares about you? What's that mean?



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killer7 said:
EricHiggin said:

There's also the:

Nin has a blue ocean strategy that allows them to be different and in which they don't have to compete directly with PS or XB, which is a big reason for their more recent success. Yet, also, Switch is definitely a home console that competes directly with PS and XB so when it passes 160M sales it will overtake PS2 for the best selling console ever!

Nobody cares about a "stradegy", everyone cares about SALES! Does vgchartz compare the sales of Xbox, Playstation and Switch? YES OR NO?

Yes? Then all 3 are competing with each other! Only because the PS5 will never catch the Switch's LTD of 155 million minimum does not mean its no competition.

Germany beat Brazil 7:1 in the 2014 world cup. Was Germany playing for a "different audience" that year?🤣😂 Spain (the team nearly everyone expected to win the world Cup in 2014) got fucked up by the Netherlands 5:1, despite all teenie girlies wet fantasies of Spain winning the World Cup. Did anyone say the Netherlands played for a "different group of people"? Did anyone say Carsias, Xabi Alonso... are better known players than Arien Robben, Stefan De Frey or Van Persie (wichs 1:0 Kill as the flying Duch Man went in the history book as one of the most beautifull goals of all time?) Does anyone critisise the comparision between Miroslav Klose the world cup record goal scorer with Lionel Messi only because he is not very well known?Only because Messi won't catch Klose?

Thats what i am refering to. The same it is with gaming. The better gaming system wins. There is no "different audience" just because Playstation is not Nr.1 anymore. Now so many people loudly shout that a rumored not even confirmed Playstation handheld would outsell the Switch for sure despite the fact it will be digital only if they really release one. If this handheld fails to do it again after a 3rd try, is this Playstation handheld also a so called "diferent audience" just because its not Nr.1?🤣😂 We all are gamers so all 3 systems can be compared full stop!!

There's been threads within VGC that have talked about strategy between the companies, so yes, it matters. Nin's blue ocean strategy, or XB's power strategy, etc, get brought up all the time, so yes, people care about a strategy.

More importantly, has that XB power strategy focus not been part of the reason why their sales are declining, and why Nin's change to blue ocean strategy is part of the reason why their sales have been so successful more recently? 

I'm not saying Switch couldn't be the best selling gaming device of all time as per VGC. It may very well attain that title and if it does then there's nothing wrong with that. You don't beat PS2 sales without being one heck of a gaming device.

All my point was, based on your prior post I replied to and this thread topic, is that it's not uncommon for people, to be inconsistent in their beliefs about gaming, like you had pointed out yourself.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

Hardstuck-Platinum said:
Zkuq said:

You're free to care, but somehow you managed to miss my very simple point.

"I feel like you're trying to make difference no one cares about you. Yes, it's a difference, but who cares?".  The first sentence has bad grammar and didn't make sense so I didn't understand what it meant. Trying to make difference no-one cares about you? What's that mean?

Well, that explains why you missed a point: I had not one but two typos. Sorry about that, not my greatest moment. My point was supposed to be that you're pointing out a difference most people don't really seem to care about, aside from you of course. I feel like you get lost among all the details while trying to make a well-defined distinction between different classes of devices. I don't think the definition you're attempting to create resonates well with how people feel about the matter, hence it doesn't reflect reality very well. You might have made a technically good distinction, but it doesn't seem to match people's understanding of home, hybrid, and portable consoles, so it to me it seems like a poor way to classify consoles in such manner.



EricHiggin said:
killer7 said:

Nobody cares about a "stradegy", everyone cares about SALES! Does vgchartz compare the sales of Xbox, Playstation and Switch? YES OR NO?

Yes? Then all 3 are competing with each other! Only because the PS5 will never catch the Switch's LTD of 155 million minimum does not mean its no competition.

Germany beat Brazil 7:1 in the 2014 world cup. Was Germany playing for a "different audience" that year?🤣😂 Spain (the team nearly everyone expected to win the world Cup in 2014) got fucked up by the Netherlands 5:1, despite all teenie girlies wet fantasies of Spain winning the World Cup. Did anyone say the Netherlands played for a "different group of people"? Did anyone say Carsias, Xabi Alonso... are better known players than Arien Robben, Stefan De Frey or Van Persie (wichs 1:0 Kill as the flying Duch Man went in the history book as one of the most beautifull goals of all time?) Does anyone critisise the comparision between Miroslav Klose the world cup record goal scorer with Lionel Messi only because he is not very well known?Only because Messi won't catch Klose?

Thats what i am refering to. The same it is with gaming. The better gaming system wins. There is no "different audience" just because Playstation is not Nr.1 anymore. Now so many people loudly shout that a rumored not even confirmed Playstation handheld would outsell the Switch for sure despite the fact it will be digital only if they really release one. If this handheld fails to do it again after a 3rd try, is this Playstation handheld also a so called "diferent audience" just because its not Nr.1?🤣😂 We all are gamers so all 3 systems can be compared full stop!!

There's been threads within VGC that have talked about strategy between the companies, so yes, it matters. Nin's blue ocean strategy, or XB's power strategy, etc, get brought up all the time, so yes, people care about a strategy.

More importantly, has that XB power strategy focus not been part of the reason why their sales are declining, and why Nin's change to blue ocean strategy is part of the reason why their sales have been so successful more recently? 

I'm not saying Switch couldn't be the best selling gaming device of all time as per VGC. It may very well attain that title and if it does then there's nothing wrong with that. You don't beat PS2 sales without being one heck of a gaming device.

All my point was, based on your prior post I replied to and this thread topic, is that it's not uncommon for people, to be inconsistent in their beliefs about gaming, like you had pointed out yourself.

Since the PS3 people always said: "Wait till PS3 becomes cheaper, it will beat the Wii." Guess what? It became cheaper. Did it surpass it? No. You think that if the Xbox Series X was 300€/$ it would outsell the Switch? Not even if they did not release any of their games on PC. Xbox could never ever just come close to it. Sony's PS Vita was priced 250$. The same that the 3DS was on its launch. Did it surpass it? No. Yes i know the 3DS was 169$ when Vita released, but let me tell you: A person that can afford a 169$ gaming device, can also afford a 250$ device. 80$ do not make a determine in 50 million+ or - sales. Thinking that is just redicolous.

The Vita had the best launchlineup of any handheld system in history! Thats an undeniable fact, not the Vitafanboy in me speaking! It had good word of mouth, had a well known name, in japan it was an enormous sucess. Wipeout, Uncharted Golden Abbys, Little Deviants (a game showcasing the Vita's abilities just like the to this date Vita exclusive Rear Touch NO SMARTPHONE HAS EVEN TODAY BECAUSE SONY TO THIS DAY HAS A PATENT ON IT), Reality Fighters... just to name a few. Me alone i bought 8 physical games day 1!

The 3DS had the worse launchlineup of any handheld in history, bad word of mouth, low power- only a bit better than the PSP wich was 6 years old at that point, it had to be cut in price 40% only half a year into its lifecycle+ Mario Kart 7 for it even to take a bit of, people calling it DOA, yet it had a slightly better start launch alligend. (~1,3 million vs ~1,1 million WW) was on the market 10 years outselling the Vita 4:1. Different Target group? I don't think so.



Zkuq said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

"I feel like you're trying to make difference no one cares about you. Yes, it's a difference, but who cares?".  The first sentence has bad grammar and didn't make sense so I didn't understand what it meant. Trying to make difference no-one cares about you? What's that mean?

Well, that explains why you missed a point: I had not one but two typos. Sorry about that, not my greatest moment. My point was supposed to be that you're pointing out a difference most people don't really seem to care about, aside from you of course. I feel like you get lost among all the details while trying to make a well-defined distinction between different classes of devices. I don't think the definition you're attempting to create resonates well with how people feel about the matter, hence it doesn't reflect reality very well. You might have made a technically good distinction, but it doesn't seem to match people's understanding of home, hybrid, and portable consoles, so it to me it seems like a poor way to classify consoles in such manner.

The problem with this logic is, if you can only ever talk about things you think people will care about you would be stuck with only talking about sports, attractive women and CoD. I know people don't care, but is that a reason to not start a thread on the topic? It basically just reads like "minor differences no-one cares about so why bring it up?" You could say that about so many things in life



Hardstuck-Platinum said:
Zkuq said:

Well, that explains why you missed a point: I had not one but two typos. Sorry about that, not my greatest moment. My point was supposed to be that you're pointing out a difference most people don't really seem to care about, aside from you of course. I feel like you get lost among all the details while trying to make a well-defined distinction between different classes of devices. I don't think the definition you're attempting to create resonates well with how people feel about the matter, hence it doesn't reflect reality very well. You might have made a technically good distinction, but it doesn't seem to match people's understanding of home, hybrid, and portable consoles, so it to me it seems like a poor way to classify consoles in such manner.

The problem with this logic is, if you can only ever talk about things you think people will care about you would be stuck with only talking about sports, attractive women and CoD. I know people don't care, but is that a reason to not start a thread on the topic? It basically just reads like "minor differences no-one cares about so why bring it up?" You could say that about so many things in life

No, but you shouldn't be surprised to not see people acting the way they do. Besides, like I said, your stance doesn't really seem to reflect people's feelings about the matter, so unless you want to change people's opinions, I'm not sure what you're hoping to achieve (and changing people's opinion's doesn't seem to be going strongly either).