and here we have it, the comment of the day! making again the same old point... So tiring and boring!

I don't know how many times it will take for the Switch to prove you wrong and exceed everyone of your pessimistic sales forecasts before you realize that the Switch could outsell anything. At this point the Switch outselling the DS shouldn't be a debate, it's 100% going to outsell it with the pace it's going at. Even if Nintendo has a low end 4M holiday season, that'll put the Switch at 150M by December 2024. Let's say Switch 2 releases Spring 2025, the Switch 1 will still be getting games like Donkey Kong Country, Metroid Prime 4, Xenoblade X, Pokemon Legends, ect.... Even when DS sales fell off a cliff after the 3DS launch, the DS was still able to sell another 5 Million after the 3DS price cut. But Switch will have the advantage of getting more game releases than the DS and a price difference more significant than the DS to 3DS compared to Switch & Switch 2, it's also unlikely Switch 2 will launch before April 2025, so Switch at minimum could easily be at 151.5 Million by March 2025, somehow falling short of 2.5 Million after that is impossible. It's absolutely impossible the Switch falls short of the DS.

And after the Switch proving every sales prediction wrong for years now, it's silly to completely say it has no chance of outselling the PS2 especially when we have no idea when the Switch 2 releases. At this point it's looking like the Switch will be around the ballpark of PS2 sales.

Very good start for Echoes of Wisdom.

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe continues to be a force of nature.

I wonder if Wonder will ever surpass NSMBU Deluxe.

Well, as some non-Nintendo fanboys already stated: the sales are dropping fast. You can predict the sales by looking at the graphs that show monthly sales and if it continues like that, the switch will sink so low that it will have problems after selling 150 million + units. They need a really good christmas but who buys a switch nowadays? Whoever wanted to safe princess peach from a castle or princess zelda from a high tree again and again and again already did that. And the switch needs to pass 160 million by far to have the number 1 spot without a doubt. Good luck.

And even if the switch manages to do that: its like comparing the highest selling games of all time. You got Minecraft, GTA V and Tetris. The revenue makes the difference. Is it a bigger success to sell 200 million + GTA V that were sold for 50-70€ ($) for many years or to sell 300 million + copies of a 10€ low budget title or 100 million + Tetris games that were shipped with the gameboy in a bundle?

The PS2 was always a very high price highend console, The switch was always that cheap family toy it is today. Maybe the switch 2 only costs 150€ and sells 200 million and the PS6 600€ and sells only 80 million, Who knows, but its not a fair comparison. Oh, and how about the markets? The PS2 was sold in less countries than the switch and when did the switch have its best year? During Corona... What an advantage. As you can see: even if the switch surpasses the PS2, which is unlikely, the PS2 would still be deserve the title "king of consoles" for me.

Beat that PS2!

They do not do that. A fiscal report is no paper for fanboys to sadisfact themselfes or to start a console war. Its a paper for tax return that every company has to do. Everyone that works self dependend needs to do. Also a company like Sony. You HAVE TO REPORT what you sell. I am self dependend and do this as well. I cannot just hide 5 million + (!) consoles and 11 years later say "oh yeah we sold 5 million more than we reported." If i tell them 10 years later "Hey i earned an extra 50.000€ they would sue me to hell. Of course this is a much smaller amount of money. That would be a tax crime. I am sure Sony does not do that. This would be tax evasion. This is the reason why its save to say PS4 was discontinued in march 2022 because hardwarenumbers where not reported anymore. Its the same when Nintendo came out and tell us they sold 160 million DS all of a sudden. I wouldn't buy it as well. In 9½ months the PS2 did not ship 5- 7 million. No way in hell without even an announcement. See what i mean? They did not ship PS2 till 2024. There would have been games along with it to sell through stock. And 5- 7 million is a damn huge stock to sell for a 13 years old+ system. In other words the PS2 cannot have 160 million, let alone 162. You understand what i am trying to explain?

The last official sale through number was abit over 155m units back in 2012.

They didn't just stop selling them though, back in 2012.
It still had newly released games in 2013....
Repaired them until 2018.

They probably had units shipped, that just slowly sold over time? I don't know what else to say.

Is it just me or does the number to beat "PS2" often change?

Because Sony tend to speak about "sold-through" numbers instead of shipped.

In 2012, they had sold through to customers more than 155m, units.
These are the last numbers we were told.

However, that means there could be a few million more sitting on shelves in stores, not mentioned to us.
Ontop of that, they still kept making the PS2 and selling it for a few more years.

So it makes sense to assume, it's over 155m....

The question is by how much?

We know they made (production) more than a 160m units.... something like 161m+

Did they sell them all to consumers? We don't know.
We have guess work. (Here on VGcharts, our best guess is 158.7m units)

And.... we have words of a Sony guy on a podcast and a interview, claiming that eventually it went over 160m.
Thats it.

SO you get to choose who to believe.

Is it 158.7m ? is it 160m (like a sony guy said)?  does production limit matter? like the most possible would be 161m something.


Switch sells (they use shipping numbers) 162m.... non of that matters.
Its then the indisputable king of consoles.

155,1 million was the official shipment number back in march 2012 i do not find the report anymore or a source but i remember it. In their curtent report it says "more than 155 million units sold" 155,1 is more than 155,0 million. So the gap between sold and shipped was relativley small. That was the point we where all missing. Many people falsly jumped into conclusions and upped the number to 158 million or so because they thought "more than 155 million" would mean 3 more million shipped wich was not true. This is why many people on Reddid where speculating about this 161,81 million number wich was nothing more than fantasy when we look at the official salesgap in march 2012 There is a very old article in german where a webside quotes vgcharts falsley asuming that the DS had surpassed the PS2. Sony called them and told them that this was wrong. I will update the post because it could help a lot finding the truth. Soon Sony called these journalists and told them that this was not true.

They wrote: "Bis März 2012 haben wir 155 Millionen Konsolen ausgefolgt. Mittlerweile nähern wir uns der Marke von 160 Millionen, so Sony." 

Alalysing translation: Till march 2012 we shipped 155 million units (ausgefolgt= shipped) Meanwhile we are nearing the mark of 160 million units, according to Sony.

This was around the middle of december. If we go after what Sony said, the PS2 was NOT at 160 million units shipped, let alone sold in mid december 2012. A month later (january 13, 2013) it was discontinued. I am trying to find te source and I will update this post...