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Norion said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

The Xbone and PS4 architecture is almost identical so it would require barely any time and resources porting it over from Xbone to PS4. With them being a small developer it actually makes much more sense to have it on PS4 because it's extra money. There is no good reason for it to not be on PS4.  

One reason is the extra money would be tiny. They probably saw how little the Xbox One version sold and didn't bother. Also you're forgetting that it's not just the time and resources for the port, it's also future time and resources with continuing to update that version and making sure it keeps working well by doing things like testing out any major updates on it before releasing them. It makes complete sense why they'd not wanna add a PS4 version to their workload for miniscule benefit.

Miniscule benefit? The PS4 has sold 118 million units and there's still roughly 50 million MAU on the platform today. You're saying that you can dismiss the PS4 based on the numbers you sold on Xbone but, you cannot use the numbers you got from Xbone to dismiss the PS4 because they are very different beasts. The latest COD performed extremely well on PS4 and there is still plenty of reason to release for it as long as you know the hardware can run your game. In the case of Palword, it can run on Xbone and get all the updates, so why ignore a console with 50 million MAU?



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Nadella is signalling that there won't be a next gen xbox



Hardstuck-Platinum said:
Norion said:

One reason is the extra money would be tiny. They probably saw how little the Xbox One version sold and didn't bother. Also you're forgetting that it's not just the time and resources for the port, it's also future time and resources with continuing to update that version and making sure it keeps working well by doing things like testing out any major updates on it before releasing them. It makes complete sense why they'd not wanna add a PS4 version to their workload for miniscule benefit.

Miniscule benefit? The PS4 has sold 118 million units and there's still roughly 50 million MAU on the platform today. You're saying that you can dismiss the PS4 based on the numbers you sold on Xbone but, you cannot use the numbers you got from Xbone to dismiss the PS4 because they are very different beasts. The latest COD performed extremely well on PS4 and there is still plenty of reason to release for it as long as you know the hardware can run your game. In the case of Palword, it can run on Xbone and get all the updates, so why ignore a console with 50 million MAU?

Its hardware sales and MAU are irrelevant to the fact that new games sell little on it nowadays so I don't know what you're basing the COD comment on since everything I saw showed that its PS4 sales were very tiny compared to the PS5. I already explained why they ignored it and it's silly to act like a developer deciding to not make a PS4 version of a game in 2024 is strange when it's normal. The Xbox One version might've began development before 2023 and a developer deciding to release a version of a game for a gen 8 console is very different in 2022 compared to deciding to do that in 2024.



shavenferret said:

Nadella is signalling that there won't be a next gen xbox

MS has been saying for awhile a next gen Xbox is in the works. Putting games and services on other devices isn't a signal they have given up on a next gen consoles all together and haven't hinted at such. Game Pass subs are primarily on Xbox consoles so dropping a console release all together wouldn't be beneficial at all for them. Not to mention, Xbox consoles are used as servers for Xcloud. 

Last edited by smroadkill15 - on 08 January 2025

Norion said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

Miniscule benefit? The PS4 has sold 118 million units and there's still roughly 50 million MAU on the platform today. You're saying that you can dismiss the PS4 based on the numbers you sold on Xbone but, you cannot use the numbers you got from Xbone to dismiss the PS4 because they are very different beasts. The latest COD performed extremely well on PS4 and there is still plenty of reason to release for it as long as you know the hardware can run your game. In the case of Palword, it can run on Xbone and get all the updates, so why ignore a console with 50 million MAU?

Its hardware sales and MAU are irrelevant to the fact that new games sell little on it nowadays so I don't know what you're basing the COD comment on since everything I saw showed that its PS4 sales were very tiny compared to the PS5. I already explained why they ignored it and it's silly to act like a developer deciding to not make a PS4 version of a game in 2024 is strange when it's normal. The Xbox One version might've began development before 2023 and a developer deciding to release a version of a game for a gen 8 console is very different in 2022 compared to deciding to do that in 2024.

Even if only 5% of sales were on PS4, if the game sold 10 million copies (which is very possible for COD), it means the game sold 500,000 on PS4. Is 500k sales worth the extra development of a PS4 version? I would say yes. I don't really understand your logic of two years time difference being the reason. it's not about the calendar, it's about potential sales and players, and a PS4 version in 2024 would still get you way more players and sales then an Xbone version would in 2023. 



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Hardstuck-Platinum said:
Norion said:

Its hardware sales and MAU are irrelevant to the fact that new games sell little on it nowadays so I don't know what you're basing the COD comment on since everything I saw showed that its PS4 sales were very tiny compared to the PS5. I already explained why they ignored it and it's silly to act like a developer deciding to not make a PS4 version of a game in 2024 is strange when it's normal. The Xbox One version might've began development before 2023 and a developer deciding to release a version of a game for a gen 8 console is very different in 2022 compared to deciding to do that in 2024.

Even if only 5% of sales were on PS4, if the game sold 10 million copies (which is very possible for COD), it means the game sold 500,000 on PS4. Is 500k sales worth the extra development of a PS4 version? I would say yes. I don't really understand your logic of two years time difference being the reason. it's not about the calendar, it's about potential sales and players, and a PS4 version in 2024 would still get you way more players and sales then an Xbone version would in 2023. 

Doesn't matter what you think. It's what the developer decided to do and they made this choice already. They likely figured a ps5 version would suffice since there is a large overlap in users at this point in the generation.

You went from saying, it was a good idea not to release a ps4 version to now saying they are missing out by not releasing a ps4 version. This is why it's so hard to have any kind of constructive discussion with you.  



shavenferret said:

Nadella is signalling that there won't be a next gen xbox

There is also a handheld device in development.  



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smroadkill15 said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

Even if only 5% of sales were on PS4, if the game sold 10 million copies (which is very possible for COD), it means the game sold 500,000 on PS4. Is 500k sales worth the extra development of a PS4 version? I would say yes. I don't really understand your logic of two years time difference being the reason. it's not about the calendar, it's about potential sales and players, and a PS4 version in 2024 would still get you way more players and sales then an Xbone version would in 2023. 

Doesn't matter what you think. It's what the developer decided to do and they made this choice already. They likely figured a ps5 version would suffice since there is a large overlap in users at this point in the generation.

You went from saying, it was a good idea not to release a ps4 version to now saying they are missing out by not releasing a ps4 version. This is why it's so hard to have any kind of constructive discussion with you.  

I didn't change what I was saying. For Sony, it is a good idea to have it only on PS5 to help sales of PS5. For Pocketpair and consumers, it's bad because it's less income they could generate from extra sales, but consumers never got that choice. Just commenting from different perspectives. Don't see the issue with that



Hardstuck-Platinum said:
Norion said:

Its hardware sales and MAU are irrelevant to the fact that new games sell little on it nowadays so I don't know what you're basing the COD comment on since everything I saw showed that its PS4 sales were very tiny compared to the PS5. I already explained why they ignored it and it's silly to act like a developer deciding to not make a PS4 version of a game in 2024 is strange when it's normal. The Xbox One version might've began development before 2023 and a developer deciding to release a version of a game for a gen 8 console is very different in 2022 compared to deciding to do that in 2024.

Even if only 5% of sales were on PS4, if the game sold 10 million copies (which is very possible for COD), it means the game sold 500,000 on PS4. Is 500k sales worth the extra development of a PS4 version? I would say yes. I don't really understand your logic of two years time difference being the reason. it's not about the calendar, it's about potential sales and players, and a PS4 version in 2024 would still get you way more players and sales then an Xbone version would in 2023. 

Is it about the calendar since that determines if making a PS4 or Xbox One version of a game makes sense to make since the older those systems get the less people there are buying games on them. Black Ops 6 began development back in 2020, the PS4 and Xbox One were both very relevant then which is why they made versions for those systems but in 2024 the situation is completely different. I said before 2023 and cross-gen development made a lot more sense back in 2022 than it did in 2024 which is why the number of games releasing on the PS4/Xbox One keeps declining.

Pocketpair feeling that the Xbox One version wasn't really worth it making them not bother with a PS4 version makes more sense than Sony forcing them to not make one since the impact on PS5 sales from that would've been basically non-existent.

Last edited by Norion - on 08 January 2025

Norion said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

Even if only 5% of sales were on PS4, if the game sold 10 million copies (which is very possible for COD), it means the game sold 500,000 on PS4. Is 500k sales worth the extra development of a PS4 version? I would say yes. I don't really understand your logic of two years time difference being the reason. it's not about the calendar, it's about potential sales and players, and a PS4 version in 2024 would still get you way more players and sales then an Xbone version would in 2023. 

Is it about the calendar since that determines if making a PS4 or Xbox One version of a game makes sense to make since the older those systems get the less people there are buying games on them. Black Ops 6 began development back in 2020, the PS4 and Xbox One were both very relevant then which is why they made versions for those systems but in 2024 the situation is completely different. I said before 2023 and cross-gen development made a lot more sense back in 2022 than it did in 2024 which is why the number of games releasing on the PS4/Xbox One keeps declining.

Pocketpair feeling that the Xbox One version wasn't really worth it making them not bother with a PS4 version makes more sense than Sony forcing them to not make one since the impact on PS5 sales from that would've been basically non-existent.

To get it on PS4 from Xbone would literally be a quick copy and paste job because, PS4 is a fair bit more powerful than Xbone and they have the same architecture. It would require next to no money because your just moving the game over from the Xbone dev kit to the PS4 dev kit. Your telling me that the costs of updating the game on the PS4 outweighs the amount of sales they would get? Free sales that required next to no development costs? Look at all the third party games on PS4 this year. Visions of Mana. COD BO6. Sonic+Shadow generations. Diablo 4 vessel of hatred, just to name afew. All those publishers saw value in PS4 but your telling me Pocketpair didn't?