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EricHiggin said:
sc94597 said:

I am sorry 82 years is too old to start a presidential term. Biden has shown us that in how quickly he declined in the last four years. 

No offense, but the second paragraph is non-sequitur. Trump's ability to win elections despite people underestimating him has nothing to do with whether or not the global economy will improve in the next four years. You come off as a true believer making these leaps and if there is anything I've learned in the last 10 years you can't talk true believers out of their delusions about the guy. 

You still aren't getting the point made about how endorsing a candidate and being the person making the endorsement aren't the same? Why didn't Kari Lake win any of her races despite Trump endorsing her? People do like the Obamas. It is a measured fact. Their favorabilities hover in the mid to high 50's and drop down to the high 40's during tense campaign events. That is the best record for any national political entity since the start of this century. And again, I say that as somebody who voted against Obama in 2012 and who is luke-warm about him. 

Trump and Biden were said to be too old in 2020, yet that wasn't a problem apparently. Trump was said to be too old after 2020, yet here he is in 2024, after being shot for running. Does the weak, tired, 'old man' clearly have PTSD?

Kari Lake isn't running for President. She's also running in Arizona. How was Arizona's 2020 election? How's the counting going now? Done yet?

Then yours don't count either because it's not 2008 or 2012, it would be 2028, it would be the first time a third term was possible for a long time now, and Obama ain't the same. How accurate are any of the numbers or ratings period? How low were Trumps numbers in 2020 and how did he somehow win 2024 then?

Again, sorry, but:

In 4 years time, if things are going poorly, you would certainly have a point.

In 4 years time, if things have improved, why bother switching to Obama?

Sorry. I am not following your point here. You're saying that because some nebulous entity said Trump and Biden were too old in 2020 and they still became president's since that age doesn't matter at all? There is no difference between being 82 and being 74 years old? Is that really what you're trying to argue? 

What substantial difference does running for president and running for a state-wide election bring to this topic of being endorsed is different from being the endorser? 

My what don't count? I shared a favorability poll from August 2024, if that is what you are talking about?

I already answered the last two questions. You didn't like them. 

Anyway. This is a pointless hypothetical. Fortunately we have the 22nd Amendment and the GOP probably will be finding itself in the same place when Trump can't run again that the Democratic Party found itself in when Obama couldn't. A party with an identity but without the candidate that made that identity. 

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the-pi-guy said:
Chrkeller said:

Nope.  I just don't care about semantic BS backtracking.  You flipped out, realized I was right and started semantics.  

You can't deal with being wrong, this election shows this.  THIS IS YOUR PROBLEM, NOT MINE.

And you are hammering off topic nonsense, great work as a mod.  

Highway Code aside, staying on topic it is clear who was right about this election and who wasn't.  Your tantrum doesn't change cold hard facts.  

Semantics matter, they're what drive people's understandings of a situation. It's practically what a lot of subjects like the law are built on.

So many of these conversations could have easily been avoided, if you were able to step back and say "you've misunderstood me" or "there's been a miscommunication", "Sorry, that's not quite what I was meaning."

Instead you like to antagonize and believe you are superior; rather than accept that you are a human being with the same kinds of flaws that everyone else has. The struggle to challenge your own beliefs. That you have the same struggles to communicate and be unbiased that everyone else has. 

You do the same thing that you're accusing Ryuu of. You got all upset when he said X, when you meant Y, and made dozens of posts fighting a semantics battle, instead of ever admitting that maybe the way you wrote things in the first place left room for misunderstandings. 

I hope you achieve some personal growth by getting off your high horse, and recognize that most of us are not out to get you.

And as a bonus, recognize that the world is complicated, and adding some nuance and semantics is important to understand how most things work. 

Two way street.  Someone could ask for clarification instead of dogpiling with "your wrong."  Hell didn't you literally make up a best friend story in the UK call me out?  I am pretty sure that was you.  Lol.  Please.  

And funny nobody is out to get me but a mod is pulling off topic information and now is going after me on my wall...  and who are you defending?  Oh yeah, the guy pulling off topic information and going after me on my wall.

Amazing to me how you can't see your own irony.  



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sc94597 said:
EricHiggin said:

In 4 years time, if things are going poorly, you would certainly have a point.

In 4 years time, if things have improved, why bother switching to Obama?

Anyway. This is a pointless hypothetical. Fortunately we have the 22nd Amendment and the GOP probably will be finding itself in the same place when Trump can't run again that the Democratic Party found itself in when Obama couldn't. A party with an identity but without the candidate that made that identity. 

Dems had like what, 20-25 Primary candidates, all who lost to Biden, the VP, stepping in late?

Then after one term of Biden they decide a late VP Harris is the answer?

Reps have at least 4, at least, good to go for 2032, right, after, Trump. LOL.



Obama would demolish an 82 year old Trump in an election, especially because I don't think anything can be done about inflation.

Prices of goods will still be high in 4 years, companies have no incentive to lower them whatsoever, the money folks in the government have no incentive really to want super low inflation either, the US has massive deficits which will continue under Trump and inflation *helps*. If you have large deficits and large debt, it makes it easier to pay off as a government (maybe not so if you're a consumer and have say credit card debt, but for a government that can control their currency, high inflation is actually preferable in a debt environment). 

The only way to lower prices is to have a massive recession and that obviously isn't good for an incumbent party either.

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Folks. Folks. Hear me out.

New York natural-born citizen. Crazy blond hair. Controversial but humorous, also a known IRS tax evader. Basically everything Trump is known for, right?

He's also used to run for a blue-colored party already. Give his citizenship back and cruise to a 2028 win.



 

 

 

 

 

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Chrkeller said:

Two way street.  Someone could ask for clarification instead of dogpiling with "your wrong."  Hell didn't you literally make up a best friend story in the UK call me out?  I am pretty sure that was you.  Lol.  Please.  

And funny nobody is out to get me but a mod is pulling off topic information and now is going after me on my wall...  and who are you defending?  Oh yeah, the guy pulling off topic information and going after me on my wall.

Amazing to me how you can't see your own irony.  

People did ask you for clarification multiple times. Ryuu and I both asked you multiple questions. 

"Are you sure, the correct answer wasn't something like pull over to somewhere safe? You'd need to do that before changing your tire."

Not because I assumed I was right, but because I couldn't find anything about it. 

And I didn't make up anything. 

Here's the problem. You would rather believe that I lied, over assuming that say Ryuu was the British best friend that I asked. 

My British best friend on here is Xevross. I met him about a decade ago on VGChartz. I added him on Facebook, he no longer posts here, but I still talk to him pretty much every day. 

I never accused you of lying. I told you that my best friend hasn't heard of the law you were talking about. 

If you felt that was somehow overly antagonistic, I apologize. 

I have tried to be kind to you and engage you with good faith. 

But frankly I'm sick of you bullying people, any time anyone disagrees with you or dares to question you to get clarification. 



Chrkeller said:
the-pi-guy said:

Semantics matter, they're what drive people's understandings of a situation. It's practically what a lot of subjects like the law are built on.

So many of these conversations could have easily been avoided, if you were able to step back and say "you've misunderstood me" or "there's been a miscommunication", "Sorry, that's not quite what I was meaning."

Instead you like to antagonize and believe you are superior; rather than accept that you are a human being with the same kinds of flaws that everyone else has. The struggle to challenge your own beliefs. That you have the same struggles to communicate and be unbiased that everyone else has. 

You do the same thing that you're accusing Ryuu of. You got all upset when he said X, when you meant Y, and made dozens of posts fighting a semantics battle, instead of ever admitting that maybe the way you wrote things in the first place left room for misunderstandings. 

I hope you achieve some personal growth by getting off your high horse, and recognize that most of us are not out to get you.

And as a bonus, recognize that the world is complicated, and adding some nuance and semantics is important to understand how most things work. 

Two way street.  Someone could ask for clarification instead of dogpiling with "your wrong."  Hell didn't you literally make up a best friend story in the UK call me out?  I am pretty sure that was you.  Lol.  Please.  

And funny nobody is out to get me but a mod is pulling off topic information and now is going after me on my wall...  and who are you defending?  Oh yeah, the guy pulling off topic information and going after me on my wall.

Amazing to me how you can't see your own irony.  

Is this what it feels like to be gaslighted? Am I being gaslighted right now? This is a first for me, Lmao. I literally asked you multiple times for clarification to your vague all-encompassing comment and you ignored every single one, I detailed this order of events here in this post. How can you honestly sit there with a straight face and say that nobody asked for clarification...

2024 US Presidential Election

Exhibit A:

Ryuu96 on 20 May 2024 at 08:34pm

Are you sure the test wasn't something like in the context of getting a flat tyre in the middle of the road or motorway? Lol.

Exhibit B:

Ryuu96 on 20 May 2024 at 09:31pm

I asked a genuine question earlier, are you sure the test didn't say "On the motorway".

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Guess what? You ignored my question, twice.

I was also the first to post the actual rule.

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Exhibit A: 

It is however against the law to attempt repairs on a motorway.

  • DO NOT attempt repairs on your vehicle

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You've now accused Pi-Guy of making up a story based on nothing except that you don't believe he has a friend in the UK who drives. I feel like when someone straight up lies about how a debate went, I'm in my right to defend myself and others who were involved in that debate, so that my reputation isn't damaged by a lie, so I am not "going after you" on your wall, I am defending myself against your lie.

Basically what you did was like: "People can't eat burgers, it's medical advice" *Argues for pages* "You idiots, I meant if you just had a triple heart bypass surgery" or "People can't walk outside" *Argues for pages* "You idiots, I clearly meant people can't walk on the motorway" or "People 100% shouldn't eat a big bar of chocolate, medical advice" ... "If you've just woken up from a stage 1 coma".

It's absolutely baffling you can't see how saying "You are 100% not suppose to change your tire. It is a government regulation." was misinterpreted by users as...You can't change your tyre in Britain...And people weren't able to read your mind that you apparently meant "on the motorway only" and not only that ignored me multiple times when I asked if that is what you meant.

I'm just going to post what I posted in Modchat and move on.

Yeah, I'm not out to get him, I tried so damn hard to be friendly towards him multiple times while watching multiple debates he has had with other users, I tried to reach out to the Republican as a Labour man and try to form a bridge between us. I've even after multiple debates with him reached out and offered any help I can provide in talking to him about a medical condition a family member of his has but I can see clearly now that me and Chrkeller are far too different and will clash a lot, our personalities do not match, at all, that is fine by me but even so my offer would still stand and before leaving he was a user I was going to PM and give my Discord in case they need to talk to me about that thing and I'm being vague out of respect.

I'm pretty self-critical of myself too, I can always improve, I know I'm not as "clean" of a debater as some people, like yourself, or RolStoppable, I know I let my emotions show a lot lately, I never use my Mod powers during debates with other users though unless it's something outright horrific but I know I've not been the best example of a Mod lately. I always try to look for sources to things when I debate things though and yes I drone on and speak a lot about certain subjects because I'm passionate about them and always try to research/look for sources but when I'm unaware of something, I seek clarification, when a user ignores my attempts at clarification, I get suspicious of their intentions.

Yes the debate was off-topic, I suggested taking it to PM/Wall but I don't believe my calling out his attitude was off-topic using the example of past history, I did not like his attitude towards me and other users, being angry about things which he himself has done in the past and thus I pointed out the hypocrisy but I guess I'm a childish, immature, 28 year old. Lol. I've heard it all before though, ironically from only Republicans, talking down to me, without them knowing my life and what I've been through and what I've been through is the reason I reach out to Chrkeller and even now with me being very annoyed with Chrkeller, I would still extend that same offer as before, don't talk down to me because you're older than me.



haxxiy said:

Folks. Folks. Hear me out.

New York natural-born citizen. Crazy blond hair. Controversial but humorous, also a known IRS tax evader. Basically everything Trump is known for, right?

He's also used to run for a blue-colored party already. Give his citizenship back and cruise to a 2028 win.

Lmfao.

Let him run for the Republicans, please take that fucking clown away from us. Low-key I dislike Boris a lot but he isn't as sick as Trump. Republicans would probably consider him a Democrat. Tbh a lot of Tories aren't as "sick" as Trump, more than they're just incompetent. Though it seems Tories are now deciding that the smart move is to go even further right to chase after Reform voters (and America will likely embolden them further).

If there's anything Boris can be useful for in the remainder of his life, he can fuck off to America and convince Trump to support Ukraine, I can criticise him for a lot but he was an extremely strong supporter of Ukraine and has continued to be one outside of office, he has been already trying to convince Trump to aid Ukraine.

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Chrkeller said:
the-pi-guy said:

Semantics matter, they're what drive people's understandings of a situation. It's practically what a lot of subjects like the law are built on.

So many of these conversations could have easily been avoided, if you were able to step back and say "you've misunderstood me" or "there's been a miscommunication", "Sorry, that's not quite what I was meaning."

Instead you like to antagonize and believe you are superior; rather than accept that you are a human being with the same kinds of flaws that everyone else has. The struggle to challenge your own beliefs. That you have the same struggles to communicate and be unbiased that everyone else has. 

You do the same thing that you're accusing Ryuu of. You got all upset when he said X, when you meant Y, and made dozens of posts fighting a semantics battle, instead of ever admitting that maybe the way you wrote things in the first place left room for misunderstandings. 

I hope you achieve some personal growth by getting off your high horse, and recognize that most of us are not out to get you.

And as a bonus, recognize that the world is complicated, and adding some nuance and semantics is important to understand how most things work. 

Two way street.  Someone could ask for clarification instead of dogpiling with "your wrong."  Hell didn't you literally make up a best friend story in the UK call me out?  I am pretty sure that was you.  Lol.  Please.  

And funny nobody is out to get me but a mod is pulling off topic information and now is going after me on my wall...  and who are you defending?  Oh yeah, the guy pulling off topic information and going after me on my wall.

Amazing to me how you can't see your own irony.  

It's no real secret that mods tend to stick up for other mods (Not saying this to be vindictive, just from an observational standpoint). I have been on this site for years and I've barely ever seen one mod to another to get them to either back down or calm down. What I have seen from my own eyes over time, is defence and dogpile approaches and that has always resulted in backlash (I've also seen this across countless forums over the decades, unless it's 4chan, where it's a mod eat mod world over there).

Now I don't like Seeing Ryuu getting the way he is, I know he's not in the right head space right now (the back and forth's are enough to tell me this), but you mods need to actually sit down and actually talk to your community, because things as they are, are starting to break up a bit here and there. 

I've had Pem at me, and now I'm seeing Ryuu at Chr, and now I'm seeing Pi just picking what side they were already a part of (moderation). This is not painting a good look. I know you're all human just like me and everyone else, but your position on this site does not give you the last say or the moral high compass. You are 100% fallible and now is not the time to act like you are not. 

Ryuu going to someone's wall is not the best course of action, it should have been done in DM's, or off-site, because that was clearly turning into a personal matter.

Ryuu I have nothing against you mate, you're a good bean, you always have been, but this is not the time to do what you are doing, this isn't solving anything.

Please, I implore ya'll to sit down and talk about it more rationally. This is my first time peeking my head into the politics board (over the past few days I mean, I've never really thought to look into it until recently), and now I realise why people get riled up outside of it against one another. I honestly believe the politics board is a mistake to have on any site, because it often brings our irrational discussions (especially that user who was acting extremely nasty a couple of days ago that deservedly got perma'd), and brews hate for one another. 

Please, can we all just sit down, play some games and chill out for the weekend and come back to this on Monday or something?. I just feel like something is reaching a boiling point and something nasty is going to happen.

(Ryuu if you need to talk to me in DM's, I'm all ears dude). 

I'm not making this post to pick any side. I'm making this post because it's clear that this board has heated some folks up in a bad way, and it's not going anywhere good. Also this will by my last post in the Pol board. I don't want to argue within it, because I've seen what that's been like on Twitter over the yrs, and even disco servers with Pol threads. 

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Chazore said:
Chrkeller said:

Two way street.  Someone could ask for clarification instead of dogpiling with "your wrong."  Hell didn't you literally make up a best friend story in the UK call me out?  I am pretty sure that was you.  Lol.  Please.  

And funny nobody is out to get me but a mod is pulling off topic information and now is going after me on my wall...  and who are you defending?  Oh yeah, the guy pulling off topic information and going after me on my wall.

Amazing to me how you can't see your own irony.  

Now I don't like Seeing Ryuu getting the way he is, I know he's not in the right head space right now (the back and forth's are enough to tell me this), but you mods need to actually sit down and actually talk to your community, because things as they are, are starting to break up a bit here and there. 

Ryuu going to someone's wall is not the best course of action, it should have been done in DM's, or off-site, because that was clearly turning into a personal matter.

Going to ignore that he lied about how the debate went and is now gaslighting me? I went to his wall, I could have done PM, what difference does it make? It was getting off-topic and thus I tried to take it somewhere else. If someone is going to lie about how a debate went then I'm going to call them out. I'm in the right head space here, cause it's a debate about fucking tyres with clear evidence as to what happened

He couldn't drop it or move it somewhere else, I tried to do so, he hasn't bothered to respond there, but is all to happy to keep responding in the forums and continue spreading lies about me and the team and what went on, now he's also accusing Pi-Guy of lying based on nothing. I literally posted all the evidence, I suggest you read it, he has posted none.

So basically Chrkeller can call out other users, for the same shit that he does. Then when someone calls him out on the same behaviour, he can lie about what happened. Then when presented with evidence, he can try to gaslight his way out of it. Is this it now? We can just freely lie about shit on VGChartz and gaslight users with clear evidence showing the actual facts? And I'm the one who should shut up and let the lying and gaslighting happen?

Lol. Hmm. Okay, next time a user lies about a situation involving yourself and then tries to gaslight you, don't come to the Mods about it, if these are the rules we play by now. Sorry but that's essentially what you're telling me to rollover and accept. Well, I'm done now anyway, I've said my peace, I've presented all the evidence and actual facts, I'm going to go play CoD and Dragon Age and be back another month.

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