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Ryuu96 said:

The Republicans from Wisconsin endorsing Harris are making me believe they see something, especially because they're both currently serving, it may be nothing but it's boosting my optimism for Wisconsin specifically. It has been risky for Republicans in the past to endorse Democrats, especially due to the insane MAGA cult.

I think Wisconsin will be fine. 

Wisconsin is a fairly blue state, that's heavily gerrymandered.  



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JWeinCom said:
Ryuu96 said:

The Republicans from Wisconsin endorsing Harris are making me believe they see something, especially because they're both currently serving, it may be nothing but it's boosting my optimism for Wisconsin specifically. It has been risky for Republicans in the past to endorse Democrats, especially due to the insane MAGA cult.

Anyway...

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Truly focusing on the issues that matter to everyday Americans, whether a person is trans or not.

Even if fewer voters care about trans issues than the economy, it could be that those who do care about issues are much more passionate about it, and can be more easily driven to vote. Hatred towards minority groups has sadly been an effective motivator. I honestly don't think it will work, but we'll see.

Another factor you have to consider is that Trump has put people in charge of his campaign that may not be the most politically savvy. Elon Musk has a lot of influence, Lara Trump is in charge of the RNC, etc. There are a lot of odd decisions being made recently (see McDonalds). It could be that people who get most of their information from a social media echochamber are a bit out of touch with what most voters really care about. 

As for Republicans more and more pulling for Harris, the question is why. One reason could be that they fear Trump is going to win... but I'm a bit skeptical. Trump has been awful forever so if that was their motivation, why now and not 1, 2, 4, or 8 years ago. 

Another potential explanation is that they are rats fleeing the ship. Perhaps they see in their state that the winds are blowing against Trump. If Trump loses their will be an internal war in the party, and I perhaps they feel that having spoken out against Trump will benefit them in that struggle. 

Imho, I may be wrong, but I think culture wars is a pointless political angle, I don't believe it's that effective, things like crying about stuff being "woke" and throwing a tantrum at the sight of a trans-person. What is effective is what has always been effective which is the economy, also immigration is sadly effective for hate because immigration is linked to the economy too, immigrants will be blamed why you can't get a job, why you can't get a house, why you can't afford anything, why hospitals are crumbling, etc.

But how can you link all this stuff to whether someone has a dick or not in their pants? Whether someone identifies as a man or woman? I don't believe most people give a single fuck about this stuff and here in UK it's what the Tories tried and I feel like people grew sick of it very quickly. Maybe I'm wrong for America but all these ads say is "This person is doing something I don't like in their own privacy!" and it's like "Okay, so how do I benefit or how does this hurt me?" and to that question, the answer is "It doesn't affect you at all"

Lets be honest, a lot of people are selfish but in this case, being selfish helps because then they would respond with "Okay, shut up, tell me how you're going to improve my life" and the answer to that question isn't "Hate trans people" cause how on Earth could it be? How can you say an extremely small minority of people are overloading hospitals? Are taking your jobs? Are the reason there's no available houses? Are the reason that you can't afford groceries? Etc...You can't...Not in any shred of logical explanation.

Now the economy, your bills, the housing market, your own bodily autonomy, those things actually benefit the voter, not what someone gets up to in their private lives and Tbh, I think this culture war shit does largely come from the internet echo chamber, it's a bit like in gaming, when people start pissing their pants about a character having pronouns, the internet makes it seem like a big deal but in reality, the majority of gamers not permanently glued to their PC screens do not give a fuck about it, at least I like to believe that. The Trump campaign team comes across like it is ran by edge-lord permanently online losers who have never taken a step out in the real world and actually spoken to real people, Lol.

Anyway, I think independent women break in large numbers for Harris too and they're an extremely reliable voting block, I also think she'll actually manage to get a decent amount of Republican women too, I think like in 2022, people are once again underestimating women in a Post-Dobbs environment. Ever since 2022 it has felt to me like American women are PISSED and rightfully so. Meanwhile Trump is trying to court the manosphere dude-bros which could be effective...If they actually show up to vote, which is unlikely.

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the-pi-guy said:
Ryuu96 said:

The Republicans from Wisconsin endorsing Harris are making me believe they see something, especially because they're both currently serving, it may be nothing but it's boosting my optimism for Wisconsin specifically. It has been risky for Republicans in the past to endorse Democrats, especially due to the insane MAGA cult.

I think Wisconsin will be fine. 

Wisconsin is a fairly blue state, that's heavily gerrymandered.  

While that may be true, gerrymandering only applies to the House in federal elections. Senators are elected by direct popular vote in every state, and the President is elected by a winner takes all process in every state except Nebraska and Maine. Hovde is a truly awful person who has been polling far too close to Baldwin for comfort.



Time marches on and the age of a new king draws nearer.

...seriously, it's getting pretty close now.



Ryuu96 said:
SanAndreasX said:

Arizona is another state where most people vote by mail, thanks to the fact that the state is very sparsely populated outside of five or six urban areas. Trump is up by 2 there in overall polls, yet Gallego is up by 8 points over Kari Lake. I don't get the disconnect. The majority of voters clearly understand that Lake is not fit for office, yet they don't apply that to Trump. Lake has deliberately made herself a female carbon copy of Trump (TV personality, conspiracy theories, and baseless claims of election fraud.) She was also a frequent guest at Mar-a-Lago and received numerous Trump endorsements both in the governor's race and the Senate. She lost by a razor-thin margin to Katie Hobbs in the 2022 gubernatorial election and is getting curb-stomped by Gallego after two years of claiming widespread voter fraud. Yet they still vote Trump. 

Think Abortion is widely supported in Arizona too and yet Trump is up on polls, which is like, shooting yourself in the foot, Lol.

It’s widely supported in Florida, which is why DeSantis is resorting to lawfare to defeat it. Abortion rights passed in Ohio and Kansas, which are both red. 

Kansas, the home of murdered physician George Tiller and his murderer, Scott Roeder, is now an aborton rights sanctuary for women in western Missouri and Oklahoma. 



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Ryuu96 said:
SanAndreasX said:

Arizona is another state where most people vote by mail, thanks to the fact that the state is very sparsely populated outside of five or six urban areas. Trump is up by 2 there in overall polls, yet Gallego is up by 8 points over Kari Lake. I don't get the disconnect. The majority of voters clearly understand that Lake is not fit for office, yet they don't apply that to Trump. Lake has deliberately made herself a female carbon copy of Trump (TV personality, conspiracy theories, and baseless claims of election fraud.) She was also a frequent guest at Mar-a-Lago and received numerous Trump endorsements both in the governor's race and the Senate. She lost by a razor-thin margin to Katie Hobbs in the 2022 gubernatorial election and is getting curb-stomped by Gallego after two years of claiming widespread voter fraud. Yet they still vote Trump. 

Think Abortion is widely supported in Arizona too and yet Trump is up on polls, which is like, shooting yourself in the foot, Lol.

That's the oxymoron surrounding trump.  He can act as horrible as he likes and yet voters still love him.  I think that in this election at least, the voters want style and attitude more than substance.  



JWeinCom said:

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As for Republicans more and more pulling for Harris, the question is why. One reason could be that they fear Trump is going to win... but I'm a bit skeptical. Trump has been awful forever so if that was their motivation, why now and not 1, 2, 4, or 8 years ago. 

Another potential explanation is that they are rats fleeing the ship. Perhaps they see in their state that the winds are blowing against Trump. If Trump loses their will be an internal war in the party, and I perhaps they feel that having spoken out against Trump will benefit them in that struggle. 

If we've learned anything about Republican politicians in the last ten years, it's that they want to get in power for power's sake. Hence why they've aligned themselves behind Trump no matter how stupid it would make them look like.

So if they are now turning against Trump, this late in the game right before an election, it's not because they've suddenly grown a spine. The rats-fleeing-the-ship theory is correct, because Trump is so off the mark on (perceived) conservative values by now - fiscal responsibility, economy, party of law and order, defense of the constitution - that continued backing of this loser will likely result in political death for his supporters; meaning their chances for their own re-election whenever it's coming up will drastically decrease.

If Republicans lose this election too, then Trump's record will be one of a fluky win in 2016, followed by disappointments in 2018, 2020, 2022 and 2024. Trump's mental decay that we can already witness today will make him completely unelectable in 2028, so this is his final run for office; nevermind that all the court cases against him will proceed after an election loss in 2024, new ones will be opened and he would be unelectable in 2028 even if still in great mental condition. Indeed, this is the time for the rats to leave the ship because they heard Liz Cheney's words. Paraphrased, "There will come a time when Donald Trump is gone, but the dishonor you did to this country won't be."



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV will outsell Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I was wrong.

LegitHyperbole said:

Time marches on and the age of a new king draws nearer.

...seriously, it's getting pretty close now.

Or Queen 👀

We already had a new King anyway, his name is Charles, wish we didn't but hey, I understand the confusion though, with the way a large group of Americans treat Donald Trump it's easy to believe that they'd want to be ruled by a monarchy again, maybe Britain should take back control



Ryuu96 said:
LegitHyperbole said:

Time marches on and the age of a new king draws nearer.

...seriously, it's getting pretty close now.

Or Queen 👀

We already had a new King anyway, his name is Charles, wish we didn't but hey, I understand the confusion though, with the way a large group of Americans treat Donald Trump it's easy to believe that they'd want to be ruled by a monarchy again, maybe Britain should take back control

It's a reference from Metaphor Refantazio and oh, yes, it's so sickening the way the Americans worship these candidates like pop stars, turns my stomach. We should be angry with politicians by default and weary of them, hold them to a standard but not idolise them. 



SanAndreasX said:
the-pi-guy said:

I think Wisconsin will be fine. 

Wisconsin is a fairly blue state, that's heavily gerrymandered.  

While that may be true, gerrymandering only applies to the House in federal elections. Senators are elected by direct popular vote in every state, and the President is elected by a winner takes all process in every state except Nebraska and Maine. Hovde is a truly awful person who has been polling far too close to Baldwin for comfort.

I'm aware. I'm pretty confident that Baldwin will win. 

She won by 11 points in 2018 and 5.5 points in 2012. She vastly outperformed Tony Evers in 2018, and 2022 had Evers at +3.5.

I'm starting to really feel like a lot of these polls are closer than they probably should be.