I’m not too concerned with PC killing PlayStation/Nintendo hardware. The price for entry on PC is too large for your average consumer (esp if we’re talking mom’s and dad’s purchasing games for their children).

Honestly what would even be the point?
New for the sake of newness ?

FSR4 ofc could make for a case.... if they got a chip from AMD that has newer technology inside it.
But if the old model, on non bleeding edge nodes, already has a 2TB Black Digital Series X, at 730$.....  Can you imagine a Xbox Series Two ?

Here is the Xbox series Two (name?), it does everything the Series X does... but with less up-scaling needed, uses FSR4, and games are still 4k60.
The games we have in the pipeline, are releasing on both the Series X and the Two, as well as PS5/Pro,PC,Switch... Please enjoy!

Ends the promo with a price reveal of 850$.

How many xbox fans, that this gen, didn't jump onboard the series x console.... are going for a new Series "two" machine, that's likely $800+ ?


I think Sony and Xbox, need to offer us less next gen.
Like, make the smallest possible upgrade ever, console to console generation, but try to keep prices as low as possible.
Don't go thinking the only way to sell the console will be to make it twice as powerfull as the PS5/Series X, but selling it for 1000$+ its not going to work.

They need to look at Nintendo, who just launched a new gen with 3Tflops docked.
And relax and weigh more towards the buy in costs of things (price for entry), than the performance of the machines.

Kids playing free to play and old games nowadays. Roblox, Minecraft, Genshin Impact, Fortnite, etc. Every entry level PC can easily run them, I mean even a Switch can run them lol 

PCs are only expensive if you are targeting high specs. They are also better because kids can use their PCs to browse internet, study, do schooling tasks, etc. On top of that it's a portable device 

If I was a father I would buy a laptop to my kid, it's a much better value than a console 

there’s also the casual gamer (which comprise a vast majority of Nintendo gamers) who are just looking to play Animal Crossing but don’t own a several thousand dollar computer to emulate (or—in event that the heat death of the universe has come to pass—officially purchase) it. Same with people looking for party games like MarioKart or Smash Bros. Maybe you could make an argument for PS getting outcompeted? Though again, I firmly believe that the casual consumer isn’t looking at investing into an expensive computer to play the latest SpiderMan or GoW. Especially not with how inconvenient it can be to simply try and play a game without encountering hundreds of bugs/errors (e.g., Dragon’s Dogma 2).

also, the “Roblox” gamer is not and has never been a console gamer. If we’re talking about the migration of console gamers to PC, why bring up a demographic that was never on console to begin with? Feels like a bit of a red herring…and to be more precise, my point in bringing up children was in reference to those that specifically want games from a console; e.g., SpiderMan, Mario, CoD, etc.

I addressed specifically the audience of parents that buy consoles for kids, and I brought the games that the most popular with this demography. To say they were never console gamers is pointless, because the idea here is parents giving them a new or first console in first place 

The idea you need a expensive computer to play games is detatched from reality. You can buy a computer who can run games that target Switch specs for bargain bin prices. If in 2025 Switch still being a gift for kids even with ancient tech there is no reason to spend thousands of dollars in a computer, even more when you already needs to give your kid a PC for school assignments

hmm…alright. Im not looking to argue (with that first paragraph). In any case, if we’re talking Switch 2 specs, how cheap of a PC you think could run such games? Idk pc prices, all I’ve ever known is that they are often very expensive, and not anywhere near as cheap as a $450 NSW2…tho i could be wrong.

Don't know about US prices, so I'll talk about brazillian prices. Switch 2 suggested price is 4400 BRL (~750 USD) after taxed, so I'm using it as reference 

A RTX 2060 can run Switch 2 games, since it's stronger than PS4 Pro. I can buy a desktop RTX 2060 PC (Ryzen 5 5500, 16 RAM,) for ~3000 BRL. It runs Cyberpunk 1440P with 60 FPS

If it's a laptop its a bit more expensive 3700-3800

If you want something entry level, RTX 1060 do the trick. Play Cyberpunk 30 FPS, 1080P. You can find them for ~2000 BRL (desktop), but be mindful it's like 2014 tec so VERY outdated. I don't even think there are any laptop options available at this point 

Edit:

for PS5 performance you need 3060 or 3060 Ti. I can find desktop versions for around ~4600. PS5 slim digital version with 2 games is ~3500 BRL (~580 USD), and disk version is ~4100 BRL. But online is free on PCs, and offers are more common on Steam so I guess this even out...

Should we be comparing a desktop though? You are comparing a desktop ie a stationary device. Switch 2 and everything it does has to be included in its pricing. I understand you are just comparing hardware that is comparable due to the poster bringing up PC hardware comparison but I do think we should still consider this isn't fully fair due to all Switch 2 offers.

Edit: Nevermind, Playstation was included in the conversation so the comparison is fair.

Yup, I think the only fair comparison for Switch 2 is the laptop options, and laptops are on average 25-35% more expensive than desktops for the same price range

DELL 3060 RTX laptop is ~5400 BRL (~900 USD) and comes with SSD of only 256 GB so big yikes. Still a pretty strong laptop, if you buy it you're probably safe because it will play all third parties easily until the mid of PS6 life

The problem specifically for Switch 2 is the direct competitors would be Geforces from 1060 and 2060 family line. You can still find 2060 laptops, but there are very few in the marketplace (at least in Brazil), while for 1060 I don't even think there is any being sold commercially. So if you want a entry-level laptop 3700 BRL is the minimum you need to spend, which is still a bit less expensive than Switch 2 but only because Switch 2 is overpriced here due to taxes + lack of proper distribution

Yeah if they go with an expensive high end Xbox Next, I'd expect it to sell worse than Wii U/Vita.

Rumour has it they're targeting both a Switch-style handheld and a stronger home console version, but I'm sceptical that will make much of a splash either as I can't see many people wanting to invest in a new Xbox after how things went for the Series, especially when it'd be competing more directly with Switch 2 as well as Playstation.

At this stage, I can't think of anything they could do to turn things around to be honest, it feels like their death spiral is terminal.