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Further escalation of the conflict:

Israel kills two medics in attack on ambulance centre in southern Lebanon

An Israeli attack on a civil defence centre in southern Lebanon has killed two rescuers and destroyed an ambulance, according to the rescue force, which is affiliated with the armed group Hezbollah. The civil defence operations room at the Islamic Health Authority said that “direct Israeli bombardment on an emergency centre in the town of Hanin” killed two male unit members.

The deaths raise the number of civilians killed in Israeli shelling on southern Lebanon to 25, including children and journalists. At least 140 Hezbollah fighters have also been killed there, and nine troops on the Israeli side of the border.

Blinken: US working to stop ‘explosion’ in occupied West Bank

The top American diplomat says the US government is focused on preventing “an explosion” in the occupied West Bank where near-daily Israeli military raids have brought the territory to a boiling point.

There is an expectation the situation is going to blow up at some point in the near future in the occupied West Bank. When and how that will unfold – or what the trigger will be – cannot be predicted, but several developments on the ground over the past year indicate it is approaching a serious shift in the unsustainable political and security status quo.



Israel detains 28 more Palestinians in occupied West Bank

The Israeli army has detained 28 more Palestinians in military raids carried out across the occupied West Bank, according to prisoners’ affairs groups.

“The arrests were marked by abuse, severe beatings, and threats against detainees and their families, in addition to widespread acts of sabotage and destruction of citizens’ homes,” the Commission of Detainees’ Affairs and the Palestinian Prisoner’s Society said in a joint statement.

According to the statement, the new arrests brought to 5,810 the number of Palestinians arrested by Israel in the occupied West Bank since October 7. Figures released by the two groups last month showed that at least 8,800 Palestinians, including 80 women, were held in Israeli prisons.

Iran seizes oil tanker involved in US-Iran dispute in Gulf of Oman

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/uk-shipping-authority-receives-report-vessel-boarded-by-armed-persons-off-oman-2024-01-11/

Iran seized a tanker with Iraqi crude destined for Turkey on Thursday in retaliation for the confiscation last year of the same vessel and its oil by the United States, Iranian state media reported, a move likely to stoke regional tensions.

The seizure of the Marshall Islands-flagged St Nikolas coincides with weeks of attacks by Yemen's Iran-backed Houthi militias targeting Red Sea shipping routes.

 

Global trade drops 1.3 percent on Red Sea attacks

Global trade declined by 1.3 percent from November to December 2023 as attacks on merchant vessels in the Red Sea led to a plunge in the volumes of cargo.

Currently, about 200,000 containers are being transported via the Red Sea daily, down from some 500,000 per day in November, the German Kiel Institute for the World Economy said. Diversions in response to the attacks have led to journeys between Asian production centres and European consumers taking up to 20 days longer, said Julian Hinz, director of Kiel’s trade policy research centre.

“This is also reflected in the declining trade figures for Germany and the EU, as transported goods are now still at sea and have not already been unloaded in the harbours as planned,” Hinz said in a statement.

 

US intel suggests Hezbollah eyeing attacks on US targets

US intelligence officials say fears are rising over potential attacks by Hezbollah on American interests in the Middle East, a news report says.

Quoting four unnamed US officials, Politico reported rising tensions from Israel’s war on Gaza and confrontations with Hezbollah in Lebanon have US security agencies concerned. Two American officials said Hezbollah “could be considering attacks on both US troops or diplomatic personnel overseas”.

One analyst highlighted that Iran-backed groups are already hitting US targets with regularity. “The Lebanon front is ready to kick off and these Iranian militia are pounding the US in eastern Syria and Iraq,” Politico quoted Andrew Tabler, a former State Department official, as saying. “It’s interesting that this is all going on in the background and people are focusing on the Gaza theatre, but the war is actually much larger than that.”

US presidential candidate suggests removal of Palestinians from Gaza


Ron DeSantis, one of the Republican party’s top presidential candidates, says he won’t oppose Israel pushing Palestinians out of their homeland, adding the displaced could go to other Arab countries.

Speaking at his party’s presidential primary debate, DeSantis said: “If [Israel] makes the calculation that to avert a second Holocaust they need to do that … I think some of these Palestinian Arabs, Saudi Arabia should take some, Egypt should take some.”

DeSantis’s primary opponent, former US ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley, also doubled down on support for Israel at the debate. Haley said the US, which sends Israel $3.8bn in military aid annually, should give the country “whatever it wants”.

 



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Amnesty International calls ICJ hearings ‘vital step’ to protect Palestinians

The human rights watchdog Amnesty International has welcomed the beginning of the ICJ hearings, saying that the proceedings can help end the “man-made humanitarian catastrophe in the occupied Gaza Strip”.

“The ICJ’s examination of Israel’s conduct is a vital step for the protection of Palestinian lives, to restore trust and credibility in the universal application of international law, and to pave the way for justice and reparation for victims,” Agnes Callamard, secretary-general for the group, said in a statement on Thursday.

In February 2022, Amnesty joined a growing number of human rights organisations that have concluded that Israel is imposing a system of apartheid on the Palestinians.

West Bank residents hope their call for justice resonates at ICJ

Palestinians in the occupied West Bank have been watching the ICJ proceedings very closely as much as Israel is worried about its image being battered. Many Palestinians are hoping that through these proceedings their call for justice is going to resonate more around the world. The message is the same wherever you turn: “Thank you, South Africa”.

The Palestinian Authority has been taking similar steps on its own. It has filed a war crimes case with the International Criminal Court against Israel and it also has a hearing scheduled at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in late February on the impact of decades of Israeli occupation.

ICJ decision could impact at UN Security Council proceedings

While the International Court of Justice does not have any enforcement powers, a ruling in favour of South Africa’s submission could ratchet up pressure on countries like the US to call for an end to Israel’s bombardment of Gaza. “The enforcing power would come back to the UN Security Council. Now if the UNSC had a resolution calling for a ceasefire backed by the ICJ, would President Biden for a fourth time be prepared to veto such a resolution?"

US Congresswoman Tlaib voices support for South Africa case

Palestinian-American lawmaker Rashida Tlaib and progressive Congresswoman Cori Bush have released a statement in support of the South Africa-initiated genocide proceedings against Israel at the International Court of Justice, saying that the United States has had a “devastating role in the ongoing violence in Gaza”.

“As one of the countries that has agreed to the Genocide Convention, the US must stop trying to discredit and undermine this case and the international legal system it claims to support,” the joint statement reads. “Our commitment to supporting the human rights of all people must be unconditional.”

Many South Africans are proud of ICJ lawsuit against Israel

The move by the government has received support from many South Africans simply because of incidents of genocide in Africa, and specifically South Africa’s own history of institutionalised racism, apartheid, oppression and subjugation.

In the last three months, we have seen a number of protests in big cities across South Africa, supporting the Palestinian cause and also calling for a ceasefire in Gaza. South Africa, in these months, has recalled its diplomats from Israel and prior to that, it recalled its ambassador and had downgraded its embassy in Tel Aviv a long time ago.

Many South Africans say the ICJ lawsuit is something they are proud of.

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Whataboutism and lies

Netanyahu says ICJ case shows an ‘upside-down world’

Israel’s Prime Minister Netanyahu has blasted the opening of the genocide case against his country at the ICJ, saying that the procedure shows an “upside-down world” in which Israel is “fighting terrorists, fighting lies”.

“The hypocrisy of South Africa screams to the heavens,” Netanyahu said. “Where was South Africa when millions were killed and displaced in Syria and Yemen by Hamas’s partners?” “We will continue to maintain our right to defend ourselves and secure our future until total victory,” he added.




Syria

https://www.sanews.gov.za/africa/sa-condemns-syrian-killings

South Africa has reiterated its condemnation of the killing of Syrian people and has once again called for an immediate cessation of hostilities, says Justice and Constitutional Development Deputy Minister Andries Nel.

Speaking in Geneva at the 19th Special Session of the UN Human Rights Council on the deteriorating human rights situation in Syria, Nel said the country condemned the killings of men, women and children in the Syrian village of El-Houleh.


Partners?

https://www.dw.com/en/what-role-does-syria-play-in-the-hamas-israel-conflict/a-67399322

Late last year (2022), after Assad was invited back to the Arab League after a decade's suspension, Hamas and the Syrian regime reconciled too
. The Arab League had suspended Syria because of the civil war but in 2022, saw no other solution but to deal directly with the Assad government again in order to maintain regional stability.

Still, there are still many signs that Hamas and Assad do not trust one another, Samuel Ramani, an associate fellow at British security-focused think tank, the Royal United Services Institute, wrote in an analysis last week.




Yemen

South Africa also condemned the killings in Yemen
https://www.gov.za/news/media-statements/south-africa-situation-yemen-07-dec-2017

However there is some valid criticism since South Africa did keep selling arms to Yemen in 2021
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/4/16/south-africa-is-putting-profit-before-yemeni-lives

But not an argument that would make Israel look any better as they did the same...
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-chief-acknowledges-long-claimed-weapons-supply-to-syrian-rebels/

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-arms-sales-doubled-in-a-decade-hit-new-record-of-12-5-billion-in-2022/

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/security-aviation/2023-10-02/ty-article/.premium/number-of-countries-israel-sells-arms-and-cyber-to-spikes/0000018a-ea37-d3af-a3ce-ebf75d210000
Last year, Israel approved the marketing of drones to 145 different countries, with a 25% increase in the number of countries to which intelligence and cyber systems were sold





Hamas has no partners in Yemen, another conflict with a long history

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/yemen-crisis

The eight-year-old conflict in Yemen is between the internationally recognized government, which is backed by a Saudi-led military coalition, and Houthi rebels supported by Iran. Yemen has long struggled with religious and cultural differences between its north and south and the legacy of European colonialism.

https://www.ispionline.it/en/publication/why-hamas-israel-war-can-be-a-turning-point-for-yemens-houthis-149895

Despite being part of the Iranian armed constellation in the Middle East, the relationship between the Houthis and Hamas is not tight and is mainly driven by occasional shared interests. Despite confessional differences (the Houthis are Zaydi Shia, Hamas is Sunni), they are both in Tehran’s orbit: the evidence that political convergences often play a more decisive role in alliance-making than sectarian ones.



A known tactic, attack the messenger

Meanwhile

Daily death toll in Gaza higher than all major 21st century conflicts: Oxfam

Oxfam says that the daily death toll of Palestinians in Israel’s war on Gaza surpasses that of any other major conflict in the 21st century.

“Israel’s military is killing Palestinians at an average rate of 250 people a day, which massively exceeds the daily death toll of any other major conflict of recent years,” Oxfam said in a statement.

The international aid organisation provided a list of the average daily death tolls in various conflicts since the turn of the century: 96.5 in Syria, 51.6 in Sudan, 50.8 in Iraq, 43.9 in Ukraine, 23.8 in Afghanistan, and 15.8 in Yemen.

It said the lives of Palestinians in Gaza are at risk due to hunger, diseases and cold, as well as Israeli bombardments, and reiterated that only 10 percent of the needed food can enter the enclave.



Tomorrow Israel can bring its defense before the court.

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Machiavellian said:
Darc Requiem said:

I firmly believe that the United States government doesn't care what Israel does. They only care that Israel government officials are saying the quiet part out loud. They openly talk about their genocidal agenda. Words mean nothing, action does. Officials of my countries, the US, say they are "having hard conversations" with Israel. Yet when you look at their actions, they do nothing to stop Israel. In fact, they are doing all they can to stifle any repercussions for Israel at the UN. The only good thing about Israel's government being brazen with their statements is that it has given South Africa ammunition for their case against Israel in The International Court of Justice.

The only people that can stop Israel is Israel.  We can sanction, we can play diplomate, we can voice our concerns at the UN but it really all comes down to Israel.  Anyone believing that the US is going to be the savior of anyone needs to read history.  The US can barely be the savior within their own country let alone outside of their boarders.  What will stop Israel is a concerted effort by the world but the world is divided and thus Israel will always have the green light as long as they do not get overboard with their efforts. The Palestinians have to pretty much pull a Gandhi in order to get the world on their side and even then it might not be enough.

Israel won't stop. Sanctions will not do anything. The only way is to deal with israel the way Serbia was treated by the UN.  The US doesn't need to be the savior, only stop vetoing shit in the security council



Just a guy who doesn't want to be bored. Also

First results from South Africa bringing the Genocide case:

WFP says it was able to deliver food assistance to Gaza City

The World Food Programme (WFP) has said that it was able to deliver food aid to the centre of Gaza City for the first time in several weeks.

“For the first time in weeks, @WFP was able to deliver crucial food assistance to thousands of people facing catastrophic hunger in the center of #Gaza city,” the groups director in Palestine said in a social media post on Thursday.

“Safe and sustained access is essential to ensure continuous food aid reaches those in need.”

White House official discusses increasing assistance to Gaza with new UN aid coordinator

A White House official discussed efforts to increase the flow of humanitarian assistance to civilians in Gaza with the newly appointed United Nations Gaza aid coordinator on Thursday. Deputy National Security Adviser Jon Finer expressed "strong U.S. support" for Sigrid Kaag and her new role, according to a readout from the White House.

The officials "discussed mutual efforts to increase the amount of humanitarian assistance reaching civilians in Gaza, as well as steps that can more sustainably meet the needs of Gazan civilians in the longer term," the readout said.

Kaag was named to the position in December after it was created through a UN Security Council vote. She was finance minister and deputy prime minister of the Netherlands before resigning her position to join the UN effort in Gaza.

Israeli lawmaker Ahmad Tibi slams remarks by far-right ministers

The Arab Israeli Knesset member Ahmad Tibi spoke out against remarks calling for the expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza.

In a social media post, Tibi pointed out that after years of Arab lawmakers being accused by the right of defaming Israel, comments from members of the far-right are being used in a case that has damaged Israel’s international image.

“Here today, [as] Israel is being sued in The Hague, the lawsuit cites countless members of the Knesset,” said Tibi. “And guess how many Arab MKs ‘supporting terrorism and embracing terrorists’ are mentioned there – zero. Only Jewish ministers and judges on the right.”




Meanwhile the IDF is bringing the tunnel systems back in the news, since it's their 'justification' for the heavy bombing

Israeli military says Hamas held Israeli hostages in tunnels found under Khan Younis

The Israel Defense Forces said a tunnel it uncovered beneath the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis was used by Hamas to hold Israeli hostages.

The tunnel was connected to an underground system of other tunnels beneath a civilian area in Khan Younis and had "ventilation systems, electrical supply and plumbing," the IDF said in a statement Thursday. "After investigating the tunnel, it can be confirmed that Israeli hostages had been inside the tunnel," the IDF said. The statement added that Israeli forces found more than 300 tunnel shafts, "some leading to significant tunnels, tactical shafts, and underground areas which are used as weapons storage facilities and combat areas."

CNN cannot independently confirm hostages were held in those tunnels.



Ofcourse the military action in Gaza and the West Bank continues regardless
“In Rafah in the last hour, nine Palestinians have been reported killed after the residential building they were taking refuge in was completely levelled,”



Despite rejecting ICJ case, US has not assessed Israel’s war conduct

Several US officials, including White House national security spokesperson John Kirby, have called South Africa’s filing accusing Israel of violating the UN Genocide Convention “meritless” and “unfounded”.

But last week Kirby told reporters that Washington has not probed the Israeli operations in Gaza for possible rights abuses despite being the chief provider of weapons to Israel. “I am not aware of any kind of formal assessment being done by the United States government to analyse the compliance with international law by our partner Israel,” Kirby said on January 4.

Without such an assessment, it’s unclear how US officials came to the conclusion that the ICJ case against Israel is meritless. US Secretary of State Antony Blinken previously acknowledged that “far too many Palestinians have been killed” in Gaza.



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Machiavellian said:
Darc Requiem said:

The United States can greatly reduce Israels effectiveness. 80% of Israel's arms come from the US. If the US cuts Israel off it would greatly hamper their military efforts because they'd run out munitions. Biden has circumvented Congress twice since the start of the latest conflict to approval arms sales to Israel. This isn't even including the billions of dollars of aid the US provides to Israel in general. 

Naw, the US cannot do anything because the US is divided.  That is what I am trying to tell you.  Also Biden did not circumvent congress, its within his power as president, he does not need congress approval.  You believe the US is going to jump in and save the Palestinians but look at the US history in the region and you see that looking for them to do anything that will be effective is asking for a miracle.  Neither Dems nor GOP are concerted on any one effort and if you know US politics you know when both parties do not agree with a majority then nothing gets done.

So no, the US no matter who is in the president seat is going to do nothing.  If anything they will still do more for Israel then they will ever do for the Palestinians unless by some miracle you get someone in the president seat that is part of neither popular candidates.

You are confusing CAN with WON'T. The US won't do anything. You started of saying there is nothing to US can do. I was just pointing out that you were factually incorrect. The US can cripple Israel's efforts by simply refusing to sell them arms. Israel is NOTHING without US backing. Don't try to move the goalposts now.

Also there is no real division, the US backs Israel 100%. Several people in the government have dual US-Israeli citizenship. There is a subset of the Democratic Party that supports Palestine. Most do not. The Democrats and Republicans agree on few things. Unfortunately, Israel is one of those things on which they agree. The US, or at least our government, is divided on Ukraine. The Democrats tried to tie Ukrainian and Israeli aid together because they both agree on Israel and but the Republicans disagree on Ukraine.



US and UK escalating the regional conflict further

US and UK carry out airstrikes against Houthis in Yemen, official says

The United States and United Kingdom launched strikes against multiple Houthi targets in Houthi-controlled areas of Yemen, officials from each country told CNN. The strikes were from fighter jets and Tomahawk missiles. 

For weeks, the US had sought to avoid direct strikes on Yemen because of the risk of escalation in a region already simmering with tension, and the concern of potentially upsetting a delicate ceasefire between the militant group and Saudi Arabia that was achieved after years of war.

But the White House had made clear the repeated Houthi attacks on international shipping lanes in the southern Red Sea were intolerable. 

Though the US has carried out strikes against Iranian proxies in Iraq and Syria since the outbreak of the war in Gaza, this marks the first known strike against the Houthis in Yemen.


Earlier today

Houthis warn that any US aggression "will not go unanswered" 

Houthi leader Abdul Malik Al-Houthi said that any United States aggression against Yemen “will not go unanswered,” amid fears that the rebel group's attacks could escalate Israel’s war against Hamas into a wider regional conflict. "The answer will not only be attacking the Americans in the sea with more than 24 drones and missiles — the response will be much more," al-Houthi said.

Al-Houthi said in a speech on Thursday that the response from the group will be “much greater” than this week’s barrage of drones and missiles on the Red Sea. The leader said that Yemen is ready “to confront American aggression” and criticized US and United Kingdom support for Israel, stating it “will not deter” Yemen's actions. 

Al-Houthi said the strategy in preventing Israeli-linked ships from traversing the Red Sea has been effective, citing the recent American attack on the Houthis’ navy as evidence of this impact. 

Furthermore, al-Houthi accused the US and the UK of trying to involve other countries in the confrontation against Yemen, warning that those who target Yemen and its naval forces risk their maritime safety and commercial shipping interests. 

"Those who want to get involved and attack our people and target the naval forces are risking their maritime safety and their commercial ships," al-Houthi said. 


The US didn't wait long to call their bluff.


Houthi officials say the strikes hit several airports and a base near the Yemeni capital

Houthi officials said the airstrikes launched by the United States and British militaries Thursday night hit several locations in Yemen, including airports.

These are the locations hit by the strikes, according to the Iran-backed group:

  • Al-Dailami Air Base, north of the Yemeni capital of Sanaa
  • Areas surrounding Hodeidah International Airport in western Yemen
  • Kahlan camp in Saada, a northern Yemeni province where the Houthis are based
  • Taiz International Airport and other parts of the Taiz Governorate in southwestern Yemen
  • An airport serving the town of Abs in northwestern Yemen

 

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Royal Air Force carried out "targeted strikes" against Houthi facilities in Yemen, says UK prime minister

The British Royal Air Force conducted targeted strikes against military facilities used by Houthi rebels in Yemen, British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said in a statement on Thursday. The decision was made in response to the militia's recent attacks on commercial shipping in the Red Sea, he said, which posed a threat to UK and international ships and caused significant disruptions to vital trade routes.

Sunak emphasized the Houthi rebels' continued disregard for international warnings and their persistent attacks in the Red Sea, including recent incidents against UK and US warships. “Despite the repeated warnings from the international community, the Houthis have continued to carry out attacks in the Red Sea, including against UK and US warships just this week," Sunak said.

Sunak said that the United Kingdom took limited, necessary, and proportionate action in collaboration with the United States, receiving non-operational support from the Netherlands, Canada, and Bahrain. The strikes aimed to degrade Houthi military capabilities and safeguard global shipping, he said.

The Royal Navy remains actively engaged in patrolling the Red Sea as part of the multinational Operation Prosperity Guardian, which is aimed at deterring further Houthi aggression, Sunak added. Sunak urged the Houthi rebels to cease their attacks and take steps to de-escalate the situation.

 

Attacks on Yemen ‘a bad mistake’: Former US official

Nabil Khouri, a former US deputy chief of mission in Yemen, says the attacks on Yemen are “a failure of US diplomacy”. Khouri said the situation in the Red Sea has been escalating, with the Houthis attacking ships and firing missiles at Israel in what the Yemeni rebels said was a response to the Israeli military’s continued military assault on the Gaza Strip.

With the US and UK bombings of Houthi targets in Yemen, the Biden administration has effectively become “a direct participant in the Gaza war”, Khouri told Al Jazeera. “This can only escalate from here,” he said. “I think this is a bad mistake. I think there should have been a better effort to deter the Houthis … If the US and Britain think that this will silence the Houthis, I think they’ve got another thing coming.”


US legislators stress Biden needs Congress to OK military strikes

Val Hoyle, a Democratic member of the US Congress, says Biden did not get authorisation from Congress before launching strikes on Yemen.

“The Constitution is clear: Congress has the sole authority to authorize military involvement in overseas conflicts. Every president must first come to Congress and ask for military authorization, regardless of party,” she wrote on X. As reports began to break of the US attacks, Democratic Congressman Ro Khanna also wrote on social media that Biden “needs to come to Congress before launching a strike on the Houthis”. “That is Article 1 of the Constitution,” he said. Republican Senator Mike Lee said he agreed with Khanna. “The Constitution matters, regardless of party affiliation,” Lee added.

‘Congressional authorization isn’t some sort of courtesy’: US advocate

Stephen Miles, president of the progressive US foreign policy group Win Without War, says the strikes on targets in Yemen are “at odds with both the Constitution and the War Powers Resolution”. The US Constitution gives Congress the power to declare war while the president, as commander-in-chief, has the power to use the military to defend the US. The War Powers Resolution, passed in 1973, was designed as a check on the US president’s ability to “initiate or escalate military actions abroad”.

“Congressional authorization isn’t some sort of courtesy, it’s a legal requirement for this kind of act,” Miles wrote on social media of the Yemen strikes. He added that under the War Powers Resolution, “presidents are required to seek authorization before knowingly introducing US forces into where combat may become imminent. It was written expressly for situations like this”. Biden, he said, “should refrain from any further military action without congressional authorization and Congress should provide urgent oversight”.



https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/01/11/joint-statement-from-the-governments-of-australia-bahrain-canada-denmark-germany-netherlands-new-zealand-republic-of-korea-united-kingdom-and-the-united-states/


Houthis say retaliatory strikes launched against US and UK warships

Houthi forces have launched retaliatory attacks on US and UK warships in the Red Sea in retaliation for the assault by Western allies, a senior member of the Houthi group, Abdul Salam Jahaf, claimed in a statement early Friday. Meanwhile, the Houthi deputy foreign minister warned that the United States and Britain would face severe repercussions for what he termed a blatant act of aggression.

Hussein al-Ezzi said that Yemen was targeted in a "massive aggressive assault" by US and UK warships and fighter aircraft. "Our country was subjected to a massive aggressive attack by American and British ships, submarines, and warplanes, and America and Britain will undoubtedly have to prepare to pay a heavy price and bear all the dire consequences of this blatant aggression," al-Ezzi said.


 



JRPGfan said:
Tober said:

Horrendous for sure. But does that justify the murder, displacement and starvation of 2.2 million people.

It doesn't... however I'm pretty sure Isreal is doing this to punish the civilan population, reguardless of what they said.
They want people there to suffer and hurt, for supporting hamas, and for allowing groups to be recruited into it.
They want people (normal civilians) to remember this for a long time to come. This is a message, sent in suffering and death by them.
This is what comes of it.... its basically a fuc* around and find out, we dont care anymore.

Yes, this borderline a genocide imo.
If it was any worse, it would be "lets just kill them all, and be done with this issue once and for all".
Deaths would be in the millions, it would not be "1.9 million Palestinians displaced".

I dont think people realise how much hate there is between both sides, on this.

Most of the population was 2-3 years old when hamas came in power. Before october 7 only 41% supported hamas but really Palestinians have no choice but to support hamas, because if you look at the west bank its obvious  being peaceful doesn't work and Israel plan is to kick them all out in 20-30 years even before oct 7,  all the illegal settlements and those people living in them are extremists and terrorists  that have kids like crazy and are being put on land that suppose to be for the Palestinians so Palestinians can eventually be fed up and attack and then they will call them terrorists  and   have a excuse to kill them all or kick them out.



SvennoJ said:

Israel needs to resettle Gaza so ‘Nazis don’t annihilate us’: Finance minister

Bezalel Smotrich, the ultranationalist finance minister, says Israel must resettle the Gaza Strip or it will need to contend with “two million Nazis who want to annihilate us”.

Smotrich, a champion of illegal West Bank settlements, has repeatedly made inflammatory remarks about Israel’s post-war intentions in Gaza. He recently sparked an international outcry over his comments calling for Palestinians in Gaza to leave. Before the war, Smotrich sparked a backlash after saying the Palestinian people are “an invention” of the past century.

WTF, is he actually suggesting a new Madagascar Plan???