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Chrkeller on 11 February 2024
zorg1000 said:
Chrkeller said:

50 fps inside, sure.  Outside, not a chance.  Trees in particular don't load textures well.  System runs fine in smaller games, but outside open world brings it down.  The 3050 is weak as is the 2050.  I beleive your linked video is multi player....  not the massive open world campaign.  Palworld runs better than campaign Halo Infinite.  Also, running games above the vram limit, as seen in the video, causes massive stuttering and latency.  It may look like a good idea on YouTube but doesn't work in the real world.  

Also, not directed at you, but the idea people can't tell the difference between low, medium and high settings is laughably absurd and flat out stupid.  The difference is stark, immediately perceivable and blatantly obvious.  I can't believe the nonsesense people convince themselves off.

My wife (massive casual) and I have been playing campaign coop Halo Infinite.  She is on the 3050 while I'm on the 4090 (which maxes Infinite without even trying) and it took her less than a minute to ask why her screen looked like crap. 

At the end of the day, anyone who is happy with 1080p 30 fps low settings has my 100% support, personal opnion and prefence.  I'm just sick and tired of hearing that nobody can tell a difference...  that is utter horse crap.  

Bullshit, you have a distorted view since you are a hardcore gaming enthusiast who plays on high end PC hardware. The fact that you think your wife who plays Halo on a gaming PC is a casual shows how off base you are.

I’ve been gaming my whole life and enjoy gaming so much that I’ve been on this forum for over a decade, I absolutely can not immediately tell the difference between different settings or how multiplat games perform on different hardware.

It’s easily noticeable to you because you have trained yourself to see these differences.

My wife will play campaign Halo coop with me....  otherwise she doesn't game at all.  How is playing a single franchise not the definition of casual? 

Get glasses or a new display.  I'm not well trained.  4k, ultra at 120 fps versus 1080p, low at 30 fps requires zero training.  

Does DVD vs 4k+HDR look the same to you too?  

I leave my last comment with you the same as I'd did with Otter.  Go play ultra settings yourself.  Clearly have you no personal experience with it. 

I would have agreed with you 6 months ago....  but this November when I built my first gaming rig (rtx 4070)....  I simply know better.

https://www.testufo.com/

Via the link above, fps by itself is blatantly perceivable.

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Soundwave on 11 February 2024

And a $10,000 home theater will sound better than a $1000 sound bar ... if you put them side by side. It will actually a bigger difference than GPU classes. The thing is most people still are not spending that kind of money on a home theater.

Low/Medium/High settings on most PC games are quite similar. Ultra settings is irrelevant because most people don't have a gaming rig or care enough to spend that much. A PS5 or XBox Series X is not running Ultra settings on basically anything either.

"I have a 4090 card to show side by side with every game!" is not a normal use case for 99% of people. Most people don't give a shit about that lol. 



Chrkeller on 11 February 2024
Soundwave said:

And a $10,000 home theater will sound better than a $1000 sound bar ... if you put them side by side. It will actually a bigger difference than GPU classes. The thing is most people still are not spending that kind of money on a home theater.

Low/Medium/High settings on most PC games are quite similar. Ultra settings is irrelevant because most people don't have a gaming rig or care enough to spend that much. A PS5 or XBox Series X is not running Ultra settings on basically anything either.

"I have a 4090 card to show side by side with every game!" is not a normal use case for 99% of people. Most people don't give a shit about that lol. 

You are finally right on something.  A nice home theater crushes a cheap soundbar.

And no, low and high are not similar.  Anisotropic, texture quality, volumetric, particles, shadows, lighting and reflections are much stronger on higher settings.  Add in more fps at a higher resolution....  night and day.  Sadly I think you know this but simply don't want to admit it.  

Most people don't care, which is a goalpost move.  The question isn't if people care.  The question was, is there an immediate and large difference, which is "yes."  

Personally I don't blame people for not caring.  High end electronics isn't cost effective.  I don't have a high end car, but I'm not going to pout and claim a Ford focus and high BMW are the same because stupid reasons.  



zeldaring on 11 February 2024
Chrkeller said:
Soundwave said:

And a $10,000 home theater will sound better than a $1000 sound bar ... if you put them side by side. It will actually a bigger difference than GPU classes. The thing is most people still are not spending that kind of money on a home theater.

Low/Medium/High settings on most PC games are quite similar. Ultra settings is irrelevant because most people don't have a gaming rig or care enough to spend that much. A PS5 or XBox Series X is not running Ultra settings on basically anything either.

"I have a 4090 card to show side by side with every game!" is not a normal use case for 99% of people. Most people don't give a shit about that lol. 

You are finally right on something.  A nice home theater crushes a cheap soundbar.

And no, low and high are not similar.  Anisotropic, texture quality, volumetric, particles, shadows, lighting and reflections are much stronger on higher settings.  Add in more fps at a higher resolution....  night and day.  Sadly I think you know this but simply don't want to admit it.  

Most people don't care, which is a goalpost move.  The question isn't if people care.  The question is there an immediate difference, which is "yes."  

Personally I don't blame people for not caring.  High end electronics isn't cost effective.  

I think he mistakes playable for people not caring. just let any gamer play 30fps vs 60fps and they will see the difference. 1080p to 4k is also a big difference.



Chrkeller on 11 February 2024
zeldaring said:
Chrkeller said:

You are finally right on something.  A nice home theater crushes a cheap soundbar.

And no, low and high are not similar.  Anisotropic, texture quality, volumetric, particles, shadows, lighting and reflections are much stronger on higher settings.  Add in more fps at a higher resolution....  night and day.  Sadly I think you know this but simply don't want to admit it.  

Most people don't care, which is a goalpost move.  The question isn't if people care.  The question is there an immediate difference, which is "yes."  

Personally I don't blame people for not caring.  High end electronics isn't cost effective.  

I think he mistakes playable for people not caring. just let any gamer play 30fps vs 60fps and they will see the difference. 1080p to 4k is also a big difference.

Yep.  Most people will buy a cheap Walmart TV over a flagship LG OLED.  In his strange world that must mean there isn't a difference, lol.



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160rmf on 11 February 2024
Chrkeller said:
sc94597 said:

Hm, something is up with your 3050 system. A 2050/3050 laptop should get about 50fps at low settings in Halo Infinite at 1080p. 30fps is roughly what these GPU's achieve at high/ultra settings. 

https://youtu.be/HYTHK3VTxIs?si=SS2n-pc3tzQo1BCP

A 3050 Desktop should be in the high 90's -110's at low settings in Halo Infinite.

AW2 also runs at 30-40fps low 1080p on low-TDP 2050/3050 laptops.  

50 fps inside, sure.  Outside, not a chance.  Trees in particular don't load textures well.  System runs fine in smaller games, but outside open world brings it down.  The 3050 is weak as is the 2050.  I beleive your linked video is multi player....  not the massive open world campaign.  Palworld runs better than campaign Halo Infinite.  Also, running games above the vram limit, as seen in the video, causes massive stuttering and latency.  It may look like a good idea on YouTube but doesn't work in the real world.  

Also, not directed at you, but the idea people can't tell the difference between low, medium and high settings is laughably absurd and flat out stupid.  The difference is stark, immediately perceivable and blatantly obvious.  I can't believe the nonsesense people convince themselves off.

My wife (massive casual) and I have been playing campaign coop Halo Infinite.  She is on the 3050 while I'm on the 4090 (which maxes Infinite without even trying) and it took her less than a minute to ask why her screen looked like crap. 

At the end of the day, anyone who is happy with 1080p 30 fps low settings has my 100% support, personal opnion and prefence.  I'm just sick and tired of hearing that nobody can tell a difference...  that is utter horse crap.  

Well, she maybe casual... but she's your wife. If anything, this just shows how your fixation for having the best visual performance subconsciously contaminated her. I bet if she wasn't overly stimulated seeing you playing, she would move along playing in her "crap" settings just fine. I bet even watching series you only choose those with 4k support lol



 

 

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Chrkeller on 11 February 2024
160rmf said:
Chrkeller said:

50 fps inside, sure.  Outside, not a chance.  Trees in particular don't load textures well.  System runs fine in smaller games, but outside open world brings it down.  The 3050 is weak as is the 2050.  I beleive your linked video is multi player....  not the massive open world campaign.  Palworld runs better than campaign Halo Infinite.  Also, running games above the vram limit, as seen in the video, causes massive stuttering and latency.  It may look like a good idea on YouTube but doesn't work in the real world.  

Also, not directed at you, but the idea people can't tell the difference between low, medium and high settings is laughably absurd and flat out stupid.  The difference is stark, immediately perceivable and blatantly obvious.  I can't believe the nonsesense people convince themselves off.

My wife (massive casual) and I have been playing campaign coop Halo Infinite.  She is on the 3050 while I'm on the 4090 (which maxes Infinite without even trying) and it took her less than a minute to ask why her screen looked like crap. 

At the end of the day, anyone who is happy with 1080p 30 fps low settings has my 100% support, personal opnion and prefence.  I'm just sick and tired of hearing that nobody can tell a difference...  that is utter horse crap.  

Well, she maybe casual... but she's your wife. If anything, this just shows how your fixation for having the best visual performance subconsciously contaminated her. I bet if she wasn't overly stimulated seeing you playing, she would move along playing in her "crap" settings just fine. I bet even watching series you only choose those with 4k support lol

She is 100% fine with crap setting.  She doesn't care even a little.  From her perspective it is playable and fine.  There is a difference between caring and not being able to see a difference.  I have a 4070 sitting around and want to build her a rig.  She has no interest because low settings are fine, but that doesn't mean she cannot easily see the difference.  

I still think people are confusing not caring with no perception differences.

Those who don't care have 100% support from my end.  My priorities and preferences are my own.  The people arguing little to no perceivable differences between low and high settings are either ignorant or being disingenuous.



160rmf on 11 February 2024

Well, if was crap show, she would quit playing. You are the one that are using terms that doesn't resonate with the reality.



 

 

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Chrkeller on 11 February 2024
160rmf said:

Well, if was crap show, she would quit playing. You are the one that are using terms that doesn't resonate with the reality.

Fair enough.  I'll change my verbiage from "crap" to "obvious lower fidelity."

Better?  



zeldaring on 11 February 2024
160rmf said:

Well, if was crap show, she would quit playing. You are the one that are using terms that doesn't resonate with the reality.

That's his perspective coming from a person who loves graphics and high framerates. a Samsung galaxy 8 is a crappy old phone by today standards but some people don't care and perfectly fine for them.