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Kai_Mao said:
Chrkeller said:

I hope the switch 2 gets original 3rd party support moreso than ports. I quite liked octopath, triangle strategy, etc. I really want triangle 2.

It’ll be interesting to see if Triangle Strategy is in Square’s new plans to build up smaller IPs. They said that they’re planning to develop more big games and less AA type games, in which Triangle Strategy falls more into the latter.

If Square and Capcom are willing to do more with Switch 2 than they did with Switch 1, then I can see more original titles similar to MHR, Octopath 1 and 2, Bravely Default 2, Ghost n’ Goblins Resurrection, MH Stories 2, and Dragon Quest Monsters.

I wish Square would also develop an original Final Fantasy game on Switch 2, but I doubt it’ll happen as they want Final Fantasy to be that high end, realistic graphics type franchise. Dragon Quest, I would be very surprised if they don’t have XII come to Switch 2 alongside III 2DHD (I doubt the latter will NOT come to Switch and/or Switch 2). And hey, the whole Kingdom Hearts series may actually be physical/digital releases on Switch 2 if Square even cares. If the Marvel vs Capcom 4 rumors are true, I also would like to see that on Switch 2, alongside Street Fighter VI (or it’s Ultra equivalent). Then of course, the remaining Resident Evil games that are currently cloud games on Switch.

Koei Tecmo, I can see them develop a good amount of new games on Switch 2. The 2 Fire Emblem Warriors games and the 2 Hyrule Warriors games are among the best selling Warriors games ever (if you count all the warriors series altogether). Plus they have the Atelier series, the Fatal Frame series, and various anime games. Dead or Alive may be on life support after 6, so I don’t know if anything will happen with that franchise anytime soon. KT has worked well with Nintendo on Switch so I don’t doubt their potential contributions. 

Sega should be fine as we’ll likely still see Sonic, Persona, Hatsune Miki, and SMT on Switch 2. Everything else, like Sakura Taisen and Like a Dragon, I guess it depends on the attitude of Sega’s leaders.

Bandai Namco is in a bit of a weird spot for me. I can see them commit to Switch 2, but probably one foot in and most of the other foot out. Despite releasing lots of old and new anime games, Pac-Man, Digimon, New Pokémon Snap, Smash Ultimate, etc., it feels like some things are missing from them. At bare minimum, I hope for Takes of Arise on Switch 2, if not an entirely new Tales of game with similar production and gameplay values as Arise (there shouldn’t be any excuse that the flashy combat can’t work on Switch 2 if it’s as powerful as rumored). Tekken, I’m not sure if Harada is much of a Nintendo fan even despite releasingTag Tournament 2 on Wii U and Pokken on Wii U/Switch. The potential for Xenosaga remakes/remasters may or may not be brought up again as Kos Mos was brought back into the spotlight in Xenoblade 2. Elden Ring and the other Souls games would be nice too. But it’s Bandai Namco, so I’m not sure if I can hold my breath when it comes to them..

Sorry that I went on this tangent.. I see lots of potential for old and new big games coming to Switch 2. We’ll just have to wait and see if third parties are even 75% committed to this upcoming platform as they are with any PlayStation console, where they usually get their life savings on those consoles.

I think it will be important for the switch 2 to sell well out of the gates.  Many disagree but I think price plays a huge role here.  Nintendo needs to stay in the $300 to $400 range, imo.  



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Kai_Mao said:

If Square and Capcom are willing to do more with Switch 2 than they did with Switch 1, then I can see more original titles similar to MHR, Octopath 1 and 2, Bravely Default 2, Ghost n’ Goblins Resurrection, MH Stories 2, and Dragon Quest Monsters.

Capcom is a weirdo for me when it comes to Switch support. Since they brought Monster Hunter very successfully to Nintendo consoles (with a huge incentive of Nintendo money) they have a very good relationship with Nintendo (as they had in the past during the NES/GB/SNES days). Besides Monster Hunter Rise, why they didn't bring more substantial games to the Switch I never understood, it's lost money for them, really. Honestly, after the WiiU fiasco I can understand that they first were testing the ground with a have-assed Ultra Street Fighter II and Resident Evil: Revelations Collection but after it was clear that the Switch is a gigantic success, I expected they're doing much more than what they did. Why no port of Ultra Street Fighter IV??? That really would have been an easy one and one that could shine on the Switch and easily would have sold 2mil. 



Fight-the-Streets said:
Kai_Mao said:

If Square and Capcom are willing to do more with Switch 2 than they did with Switch 1, then I can see more original titles similar to MHR, Octopath 1 and 2, Bravely Default 2, Ghost n’ Goblins Resurrection, MH Stories 2, and Dragon Quest Monsters.

Capcom is a weirdo for me when it comes to Switch support. Since they brought Monster Hunter very successfully to Nintendo consoles (with a huge incentive of Nintendo money) they have a very good relationship with Nintendo (as they had in the past during the NES/GB/SNES days). Besides Monster Hunter Rise, why they didn't bring more substantial games to the Switch I never understood, it's lost money for them, really. Honestly, after the WiiU fiasco I can understand that they first were testing the ground with a have-assed Ultra Street Fighter II and Resident Evil: Revelations Collection but after it was clear that the Switch is a gigantic success, I expected they're doing much more than what they did. Why no port of Ultra Street Fighter IV??? That really would have been an easy one and one that could shine on the Switch and easily would have sold 2mil. 

Yea I can include Capcom as among the more disappointing third party devs when it comes to Switch support. Ultra Street Fighter IV would’ve been nice since V was a PS exclusive so I ruled that out. But who knows why they didn’t port it. Hopefully VI can come to Switch 2, but who knows..I think Ultra SFII and the 30th Anniversary collection did well on Switch. Heck a lot of their collections did well on Switch. Capcom is weird..Hell, there were rumors of an original Resident Evil game coming to Switch, something akin to the Revelations sub series. But alas, we’re likely not gonna see it maybe until Switch 2, if it ever existed.



Kai_Mao said:
Fight-the-Streets said:

Capcom is a weirdo for me when it comes to Switch support. Since they brought Monster Hunter very successfully to Nintendo consoles (with a huge incentive of Nintendo money) they have a very good relationship with Nintendo (as they had in the past during the NES/GB/SNES days). Besides Monster Hunter Rise, why they didn't bring more substantial games to the Switch I never understood, it's lost money for them, really. Honestly, after the WiiU fiasco I can understand that they first were testing the ground with a have-assed Ultra Street Fighter II and Resident Evil: Revelations Collection but after it was clear that the Switch is a gigantic success, I expected they're doing much more than what they did. Why no port of Ultra Street Fighter IV??? That really would have been an easy one and one that could shine on the Switch and easily would have sold 2mil. 

Yea I can include Capcom as among the more disappointing third party devs when it comes to Switch support. Ultra Street Fighter IV would’ve been nice since V was a PS exclusive so I ruled that out. But who knows why they didn’t port it. Hopefully VI can come to Switch 2, but who knows..I think Ultra SFII and the 30th Anniversary collection did well on Switch. Heck a lot of their collections did well on Switch. Capcom is weird..Hell, there were rumors of an original Resident Evil game coming to Switch, something akin to the Revelations sub series. But alas, we’re likely not gonna see it maybe until Switch 2, if it ever existed.

Reminds me of the Wii days when they put out an enhanced port of RE4 and the two RE light-gun games on it to "test the waters", and even after all of those games sold well, wouldn't give the Wii an original RE game that was actually like RE4.



burninmylight said:
Kai_Mao said:

Yea I can include Capcom as among the more disappointing third party devs when it comes to Switch support. Ultra Street Fighter IV would’ve been nice since V was a PS exclusive so I ruled that out. But who knows why they didn’t port it. Hopefully VI can come to Switch 2, but who knows..I think Ultra SFII and the 30th Anniversary collection did well on Switch. Heck a lot of their collections did well on Switch. Capcom is weird..Hell, there were rumors of an original Resident Evil game coming to Switch, something akin to the Revelations sub series. But alas, we’re likely not gonna see it maybe until Switch 2, if it ever existed.

Reminds me of the Wii days when they put out an enhanced port of RE4 and the two RE light-gun games on it to "test the waters", and even after all of those games sold well, wouldn't give the Wii an original RE game that was actually like RE4.

Capcom even asked Nintendo to increase the RAM for the Switch. Yet it took them until 2021 to release any original game in MHR. Yes, I get there were ports and collections and that games take a while to make. But it was sorta late to the party for Capcom to really take advantage of the big user base on Switch. Sure, MHStories 2, Ghost n Goblins Resurrection, and The Great Ace Attorney collection (it’s practically a new collection of games outside of Japan) released after Rise, but it felt like Capcom could’ve done more with Switch in terms of original content and even more modern ports like Ultra Street Fighter IV. Which makes me frustrated with them in regards to games on Switch. Don’t get me wrong, they’re on fire with their big releases in general. It’s just I don’t know what they’ll do with Switch 2. I hope for games like modern Resident Evil and Street Fighter VI come to the upcoming platform. I just wouldn’t be surprised if history repeats itself.



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zeldaring said:
-Adonis- said:

So we're still in the dark. Some say the opposite than others.

Edit - Sorry I didn't see this article : https://www.vgchartz.com/article/458491/nintendo-briefed-activision-blizzard-on-switch-2-last-year/

And common sense wins again.Not even a freaking apple 15 pro is matching  series s and people expect switch to match it lmao. every freaking gen it's the same nintendo fans over exaggerating the specs by 2x or 3x and sounding smart while doing so but no using common sense. Nintendo doesn't care about power they want profits from day one, don't expect them to match handhelds that are worth 800$ or Iphone 15 pro which are companies that actually care about making the most powerful handheld or mobile devices. 

Wasn't sure where to post this, guess this is as good a place as any. Digital Foundry just dropped a video of Res Evil Village on iPhone 15 pro and results were mixed. Steam deck runs it approx 50% faster at a higher resolution (1080p vs 900p), so not only does a 15 pro not get near a Series S, it's getting trounced by a much older, much cheaper Steam Deck. Obvious caveats are that the iPhone is constrained to a much lower power draw and smaller volume.



DF also posted an interesting video, deducing what Switch 2's approximate performance will look like based on all leaks/rumours.

To me it looks great, though think that it'll fall short of some peeps expectations;



^ that GPU is probably still consuming too much power for a Switch, but that's still on 8 nm.

The Apple A17 has as many transistors as a PS5 or a Series X. But unless you are tons of nodes ahead you can't do much with a ~ 20 times lower power draw.



 

 

 

 

 

Biggerboat1 said:

zeldaring said:

And common sense wins again.Not even a freaking apple 15 pro is matching  series s and people expect switch to match it lmao. every freaking gen it's the same nintendo fans over exaggerating the specs by 2x or 3x and sounding smart while doing so but no using common sense. Nintendo doesn't care about power they want profits from day one, don't expect them to match handhelds that are worth 800$ or Iphone 15 pro which are companies that actually care about making the most powerful handheld or mobile devices. 

Wasn't sure where to post this, guess this is as good a place as any. Digital Foundry just dropped a video of Res Evil Village on iPhone 15 pro and results were mixed. Steam deck runs it approx 50% faster at a higher resolution (1080p vs 900p), so not only does a 15 pro not get near a Series S, it's getting trounced by a much older, much cheaper Steam Deck. Obvious caveats are that the iPhone is constrained to a much lower power draw and smaller volume.

RE8 on the iPhone runs "like a drunken frog" was one of my favorite comments....  even with low quality lighting and low quality shadows.. .  And RE8 isn't even a demanding game.  I feel even more comfortable that people need to have realistic expectations for the mobile hardware, including switch 2.

Last edited by Chrkeller - on 09 November 2023

Chrkeller said:
Biggerboat1 said:

Wasn't sure where to post this, guess this is as good a place as any. Digital Foundry just dropped a video of Res Evil Village on iPhone 15 pro and results were mixed. Steam deck runs it approx 50% faster at a higher resolution (1080p vs 900p), so not only does a 15 pro not get near a Series S, it's getting trounced by a much older, much cheaper Steam Deck. Obvious caveats are that the iPhone is constrained to a much lower power draw and smaller volume.

RE8 on the iPhone runs "like a drunken frog" was one of my favorite comments....  even with low quality lighting and low quality shadows.. .  And RE8 isn't even a demanding game.  I feel even more comfortable that people need to have realistic expectations for the mobile hardware, including switch 2.

But I thought mobile was matching X series s now and switch 2 would match it easily lmao. Same story every time always over hyping the hardware by wishful thinking and trying to sound like they know what they are talking about when it's just wishful thinking