Shatts said:
JWeinCom said:
Are you even vaguely familiar with how Disney works?
The whole concept that Disney was built on was taking fairy tales and other similar types of stories and changing them for no particular reason aside from the fact that they thought it would be more appealing to their audience.
In the original story, Prince Eric winds up with some other girl, and Ariel's tongue is cut out. King Triton is a Greek God with horse legs and a fish tail and has nothing to do with the original story. There were no talking crabs or animals. In the Hunchback of Notre Dame, Esmeralda was kind of a stuck up bitch who barely tolerated quasi modo, Pheobus was a moron, and Esmeralda is killed. Rapunzel never had magical healing powers in any version of the fairytale. In reality Pocahontas was 12 when John Smith came to America, and she did not talk to Willow Trees.
We could go on with tons and tons of examples of Disney changing and adapting stories to what they believe their audience wants. And we can give plenty of examples of other companies doing the same, and I have already presented several way more drastic changes. Yet, generally these types of changes don't elicit much anger. So, why is Ariel being black especially problematic?
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There are multiple reasons. One I already explained multiple times, whether the change makes sense or not. It makes sense for Disney to adapt existing fairy tales and changing the plot for entertainment purposes like to kids. The character "Ariel" is based off of the original story and Disney made it a character. It doesn't make sense to change the appearance of a character that already exists. Disney's "The Little Mermaid" is copyrighted whereas Anderson's is a public domain. One of the reasons for copyright is to protect the image and sell on that image. Idols and celebrities are perfect examples of selling an image, they create an image and people become fans because they like it. The recent film is a "remake" of the original. If Disney really wanted to make a different looking mermaid, the least they should have done is separate them with Ariel. In fact just make one with no connection to "The Little Mermaid" because it's described as white in the original as well, and people are going to complain regardless. I said this in my other comment, this isn't just about appearance but characteristics. People will argue if the way they talk is different, their voice, their unique traits like exaggerated gestures. Why are people mad with most adaptations? Because it doesn't share the same vibe with the original. Sometimes change is okay with the fans, sometimes it's not. That kind of understanding naturally develops within the community. Let's think what the purpose of changing Ariel black was. It's for inclusion, representation, but they are also taking away the representation of a red hair white female main character. It seems like some people in modern society are biased towards "minorities" doing whatever they want for the sake of representation, but red haired white people could also be considered as a minority. Would people want to hear that Michael Jordan is now considered Asian for Asian representation in the NBA? I'm sure people would be pissed. Fictional characters are no different if it's already established.
It's not an easy answer, reality is that sometimes there's multiple answers, sometimes none. It's not just a yes or no, but in this case it does feel a little forced resulting in angry people. Tbf there will always be angry people no matter what, but there were lots this time around and for understandable reasons. I personally think this is an example of crossing the "line" I talked about earlier.
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I'm sorry dude but this post literally made me laugh out loud cause ummmm... it's ridiculous.
I don't know what copyright law has to do with this. Disney owns the copyright. It is for their protection, not the fans'. I seriously doubt you care in the least bit whether or not Disney is loyal to their copyright. I have no idea why it was ok for Disney to change the original version but they cannot change their own version. Literally makes zero sense. And, as discussed like seven times already, changes are constantly made to copyrighted characters in pretty much every regard, and generally do not cause this kind of kerfuffle. There are few characters that are the same as they were in 1989.
Ariel is the Little Mermaid, a version of the character from the original fairy tale, whether or not she was named Ariel in that. But, we can throw that aside, because I've already rebutted this argument. Quasimodo was Quasimodo in the original story, and Esmeralda was Esmeralda. These were characters that existed, were named, and were completely changed for the Disney version making the story literally the opposite of what it had been. Tons of other examples, but the one people are upset about is the Little Mermaid where pretty much nothing is changed about the 1989 story except for the skin color of the protagonist. So I guess skin color is more important than personality, plot, theme, or anything like that.
Nobody is taking away representation from red headed white girls. If I have a white red headed daughter and she wants to see a character that looks like her, you know what I'll do? Put on the animated Little Mermaid for her. It still exists. Wasn't taken off Disney Plus, and Disney hasn't come around to destroy my VHS copy. There is literally the exact same amount of representation of red headed girls who look like Alyssa Milano as there was before. If you think representation is important, well now we have two groups represented. I'll probably be sticking to the original, but I'm genuinely happy that black girls have a character they may see themselves more in, because representation does matter.
Michael Jordan is an actual person. This is not even vaguely a similar situation, and does not deserve a response beyond lol.
As for the purpose of the change, I don't really care. I see no reason for Disney has to make the movie exactly how it was before. The decision to cast for diversity, if that was the motivation, or to stick to the original animation are equally arbitrary to me, and Disney should do whatever they feel like will make for the best movie or, more realistically their motivation, the most money. The story is not inherently better with a white mermaid or a black mermaid. And whatever the motivation behind it, Hailey Bailey absolutely looks like a Disney Princess and has a lovely voice that actually sounds fairly similar to Jodi Benson. So, what is the issue here? She seems very well qualified for the part. Well, except for one thing to certain people...
Your argument about "vibe" and "natural understanding" is similarly ridiculous. I've pointed out numerous examples, all ignored, of Disney and other companies completely changing the stories they base their work of. And nobody ever gives a shit. Let's stop pretending it's hard to understand where this "line" or "vibe" or "natural understanding" is. These reactions basically only happen when a change relates to race, gender, or sexuality. And, as pointed out earlier, it doesn't always have to be a change. They could be new characters in an existing franchise (Ghostbusters/Star Wars) or completely original characters (Turning Red) it doesn't matter.
This is just an example of reaching and scraping the bottom of the barrel, pulling out the most absurd arguments, to pretend there is some sort of philosophical objection. but there isn't. The problem is not vague or ephemeral. If the problem was changing source material, then people would be more upset the more the source material is changed. But that's not what's happening. People are more upset with the little Mermaid being black, a purely cosmetic change in this case, than they are when other characters have their personality completely altered.
You did at least end on a correct note though. There were a lot of angry people. And the reason is indeed very understandable. Racism.
Last edited by JWeinCom - on 10 June 2023