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Lavamelon said:
Ka-pi96 said:

People with common decency?

Seriously, if your "traditions" are about discriminating against and killing people then they deserve to be criticised!

They should remove the harsh penalties (nobody deserves to be killed), but they shouldn’t have to change their entire culture over it. I am fond of preserving tradition and cultural values, as long as those traditions and values don’t threaten human life, I am okay with it.

One group of people being treated as 3rd class citizens and having to hide their existence to keep up the falsehood that they don't exist is A-OK, huh. Lol, alrighty then. 

Also "how dare anyone criticize us!!! Tradishonal ValUEZ!!!!" lol. 



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Countries have their right to self affirmation (even though in this type of case it is really obnoxious), and SE didn't force or bend (as it is also their right to do their product respecting their own visions), both parties "agreed to disagree". Even though for us from more modern culture Saudi Arabia is clearly on the wrong I don't think any of the two took a moral highground or anything similar in this case, they just respected each other in a business transaction, sad for the SA gamers though.



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Hiku said:

No wonder they didn't ban FF 15.

Lmao. Too bad, they should've. I really tried to give this game a chance or three, I just couldn't continue playing it :(



Ka-pi96 said:
Lavamelon said:

I disagree with Saudi Arabia on most things, but at the same time I respect them for not bowing down to pressure from other societies. Who are we to dictate how they should run their country and traditions?

People with common decency?

Seriously, if your "traditions" are about discriminating against and killing people then they deserve to be criticised!

This. It's why Saudi Arabia would be much better if it wasn't, you know, Saudi.



Lavamelon said:

I disagree with Saudi Arabia on most things, but at the same time I respect them for not bowing down to pressure from other societies. Who are we to dictate how they should run their country and traditions?

Exactly! 



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Lavamelon said:

I disagree with Saudi Arabia on most things, but at the same time I respect them for not bowing down to pressure from other societies. Who are we to dictate how they should run their country and traditions?

It's not bowing down, it's the exact opposite actually, SE made a game, and they were like "nah, change that, we don't like it"



SKMBlake said:
Lavamelon said:

I disagree with Saudi Arabia on most things, but at the same time I respect them for not bowing down to pressure from other societies. Who are we to dictate how they should run their country and traditions?

It's not bowing down, it's the exact opposite actually, SE made a game, and they were like "nah, change that, we don't like it"

Thank you. I am just too tired to point out the obvious, but I'll build on what you started. Here is how it went so far:

  • SE makes a harmless video game
  • Saudi Arabia goes out of their way for 8 months to talk to SE into censoring it.
  • SE gives up
  • Saudi blocks the game from being released in their region
  • A Saudi official whines on twitter that there's too much gay in his video games portraying themselves as the victim 

Do you guys want give it another go and tell me who's the one dictating here? 

Last edited by LurkerJ - on 10 May 2023

Ugh. Fuck it. Too tired to argue over it. We have the same people that rant about cancel culture praising literal censorship. Because cancel culture is when people use their money and their voices to persuade a company. That's obviously bad. Instead we should have unelected government officials deciding what people can or cannot say. Dictators are fine as long as they like the dictators. Free speech for me, fascism for thee.

To anyone objects to queer or trans people existing, and that existence being acknowledged in video games, I hope that you either come to better views or one day find yourself on the receiving end of a rusty nail in the cornhole. Either way.

Soundwave said:
Lavamelon said:

They should remove the harsh penalties (nobody deserves to be killed), but they shouldn’t have to change their entire culture over it. I am fond of preserving tradition and cultural values, as long as those traditions and values don’t threaten human life, I am okay with it.

One group of people being treated as 3rd class citizens and having to hide their existence to keep up the falsehood that they don't exist is A-OK, huh. Lol, alrighty then. 

Also "how dare anyone criticize us!!! Tradishonal ValUEZ!!!!" lol. 

Tradition is bullshit.

If a particular tradition is one that positively contributes to human well being, it can be justified by appealing to tradition. You would just explain why keeping the tradition alive is beneficial in the present day. People virtually never have to appeal to tradition to justify something that is plainly good for society. 

Tradition gets dragged out as an argument when someone has no better reason than "well we used to do it that way". This is another way people try to perpetuate repugnant rules and policies that have no demonstrable value aside from making some hateful people happy. For instance, instead of someone saying they don't want to let gay people get married, they will say they want to protect traditional marriage. Instead of saying they don't want females to have equal rights, they are protecting traditional gender roles. It's dog whistles. 

When someone has to appeal to an abstract concept to justify their position, overwhelming odds are they are full of shit. Only reason people are defending this is because they don't like gays.

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Ayla said:

Good. Cancel culture is a disease.

Ayla said:
Lavamelon said:

I disagree with Saudi Arabia on most things, but at the same time I respect them for not bowing down to pressure from other societies. Who are we to dictate how they should run their country and traditions?

Exactly! 

There is something very ironic about this pair of comments.  

If only there was a free speech comment to go with it. 



sepoer said:

Well good for Saudi for stand with how it should to be. Not every country should following the Western culture. Even I don't mind with LGB on games or movie with a proper story.

How it should be? Excuse me?

LGBT people are people first. - If you have an issue with LGBT people, then that is your problem, not theirs... So stop making them to be the issue.

Lavamelon said:

I disagree with Saudi Arabia on most things, but at the same time I respect them for not bowing down to pressure from other societies. Who are we to dictate how they should run their country and traditions?

Once upon a time it was normal for slavery to exist across the globe, obviously moral standards changed over the centuries and it was frowned upon... Which resulted in even "other" cultures abandoning slavery.

Was that wrong as well?

Hating on LGBT people is not a "tradition". - LGBT people existed before any religion, so they ultimately should have their rights come first.

Lavamelon said:
Ka-pi96 said:

People with common decency?

Seriously, if your "traditions" are about discriminating against and killing people then they deserve to be criticised!

They should remove the harsh penalties (nobody deserves to be killed), but they shouldn’t have to change their entire culture over it. I am fond of preserving tradition and cultural values, as long as those traditions and values don’t threaten human life, I am okay with it.

On one hand you are saying we should remove harsh-penalties, which is a changing of tradition.

But then you are decrying the changing of tradition.

Either you support tradition or you don't, that includes torture, mutilation, slavery and abuse of people, you don't get to pick and choose.

Some facts:
Reduce equality for LGBT people results in higher suicide rates.
LGBT punishments results in higher crime against LGBT people. - I.E. Murders, Mass Killings, Abuse.
LGBT criminalization results in higher incarceration rates which reduces the quality of life of LGBT people. - Unable to strive in life to success.

So where do you draw the line on culture/tradition where you deem it acceptable? Because making LGBT people as criminals results in higher death rates.


Do you not care about the life of LGBT people for the sake of tradition?




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