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SvennoJ said:
EricHiggin said:

I personally wouldn't try and drive away. The odds a bunch of people with guns surrounding your vehicle shoot, be it law enforcement, criminals, or just armed citizens, is too high to attempt to flee. Whether their bullets hit you, or cause your vehicle to break down, or they chase you down, or you by chance get away, who knows, but who's going to risk that if you're innocent?

I'm quite curious as to what details the investigation will bring to light in terms of what exactly happened here.

Trump and Vance are already altering the story, NY times has different camera angles.
The 'officer' was not in the path of the vehicle when he fired.

She backed up first, let another car pass then wanted to drive off herself when the goons came out yelling at her.

It's murder in broad daylight. Nothing justifies shooting 3 rounds into the car. She was never behaving in any threatening manner.

People all react differently, especially when angry men come out threatening, shouting at you. Plus their whole purpose was to clear the road, so her mindset likely was she had to leave. I would probably be thinking, Ok Ok I'm going, as well.

Claiming self-defense is pure nonsense. 

I wouldn't trust any details of any FBI investigation, I'll use my own eyes.

More details since my last post here. Details I was curious to know about as I mentioned in that post. 

The driver was told to "get out of the car" multiple times by the ICE officers.

The passenger repeatedly and frantically told the driver to "drive" as they jumped into the vehicle, attempting to getaway.

They make contact with the ICE officer, but luckily don't run him over because he dodges at the last second. He's still in front of the vehicle enough that the first shot goes through the windshield.

Both individuals in the vehicle made bad decisions unfortunately, based on the information we have so far. Very poor decisions, very unfortunately.

Again, not only would I not have driven away, if I were the passenger, I wouldn't have suggested to the driver that we try and get away.

Maybe further detailed information will bring more to light.



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konnichiwa said:

Video of the POV of the ICE agent just released (it is this one or the ten minute versions of any news station on youtube)

- Get out of the car...!    Get out of the car...!!   GET OUT OF THE CAR...!!!   What's their to not understand?

Especially when it says POLICE on the uniform



They should have let her just drive away? Personally I think her (wife?) is also to blame in pushing her to drive way. Drive Baby Drive!!!

I do really wonder how much the passenger played a role here. Would the driver had remained more calm and kept the vehicle stationary and parked if the passenger hadn't frantically called for them to try and make a getaway?



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SvennoJ said:
konnichiwa said:

I don't agree with it being 'Good' An investigation certainly should happen and thats for the judge to decide. 

But I would never say to a Friend/Family even enemy 'when Police ask to get out of the car, you should drive away' and I think anyone agrees on it.

This is one of those situations that if he/they did not shoot and she hit someone while driving away the officer(s) could have been blamed aswell.

So instead of accepting the very small risk of her injuring someone while driving away and simply filing a report for disobeying a police officer, they should use any force necessary to stop her?

Are you actually excusing the officer for firing point blank range 3 times at her, just because he could possible be blamed in case she might have possibly hit someone while driving away? Actually the officer shooting her did cause her to lose control and could very well have caused another accident if the car hadn't hit a pole. 

Not in any possible scenario would there have been a less dangerous outcome than simply letting her get out of the way.

2:10 - 2:18  :  ICE officer get's dragged down the road by this driver. ((((((

There's plenty of possible scenario's where things could have gone worse. Whether that would have happened or not, and whether it would've ended up worse for the driver or others, we'll never know.



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Yeah I mean what do people expect?  
At this point people want them to shoot.






What's your solution to stop your country into transforming to Nazi Germany 2.0? Do nothing at all? Or hold a sign in your hands?

Don't get me wrong, I know you like ICE and support them so that you obviously wouldn't want to do something but I mean what shall people do who understand what's happening AND want to do something before it's too late

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EricHiggin said:
SvennoJ said:

So instead of accepting the very small risk of her injuring someone while driving away and simply filing a report for disobeying a police officer, they should use any force necessary to stop her?

Are you actually excusing the officer for firing point blank range 3 times at her, just because he could possible be blamed in case she might have possibly hit someone while driving away? Actually the officer shooting her did cause her to lose control and could very well have caused another accident if the car hadn't hit a pole. 

Not in any possible scenario would there have been a less dangerous outcome than simply letting her get out of the way.

2:10 - 2:18  :  ICE officer get's dragged down the road by this driver. ((((((

There's plenty of possible scenario's where things could have gone worse. Whether that would have happened or not, and whether it would've ended up worse for the driver or others, we'll never know.

Do you realize you are victim blaming while making excuses for a cold blooded killer?

The passenger did not jump back in the car first of all. She got back in casually, after the driver let a couple cars pass, both intending to move out of the way. Renee Good was trying to de-escalate the situation by moving her car out of the way. She even said to the officer at the window, That's fine dude, I'm not mad at you before slowly attempting to drive away.

He doesn't dodge at the last second, he's already clear of the car when she starts moving forward, wheels turned away from him which he could clearly see as she was turning the wheel away from him while he walked in front of the car. Other footage already showed he did not dodge at the last second, he drew his gun while he was walking in front of the car. Something that's against protocol, he's not supposed to put himself in harms way first of all, and definitely not draw his gun without probable cause. He checked out the vehicle (I suppose that's why he walked around it), saw a dog sitting in the back seat, dog was calm, situation was calm inside the car. He saw the passenger get back in after the car backed up a bit to turn around / away.

The other officer told her to get out of the car, while the passenger said to drive away. I don't know what she understood at the time, but her mindset was to leave / to clear the road, and get out confirms that, the of the car might not have registered in those couple seconds. A normal traffic stop has officers tell you to stop the car, turn off the engine before they ask you to get out. Exactly to prevent this. Then a warning that a taser will be deployed if the driver doesn't want to get out of the car. Getting in front of the car with gun drawn is completely against protocol.

The 'officer' was wrong before, maybe suffered ptsd, didn't get the proper help nor the proper training, should not have been there at all. He and his superiors need to stand trial.

Plus after he shot her point blank, 3 times, he said that effin bitch and walked casually after the car, then paramedics were prevented from helping her. It's cold blooded murder. A judge could even add hate crime to it because of his remarks.

They had all their information, license plates, both clearly on film, there was no reason to escalate the situation further. Just let them get out, file a report later, continue your job. This was not self-defense, self-defense would be to get out of the way, not shoot the driver while the engine is running which most likely leads to the driver's leg pressing the gas where her foot was. Which is exactly what happened, as soon as he shot her the car revved up and sped off into a pole. 

It's tragic people have to fear for their lives dealing with police in the states and then have people defend that with you should not talk back to 'police' because they can be trigegr happy like here. 

No there was no scenario where this would have gotten worse when they had simply told them to get out of there, clear the road as they were doing. Why did they want them out of the car in the first place? What was the probable cause?



konnichiwa said:

Stop her right away, they literally demanded her to get out of the car 3 times.  This could have let into a chase with a possible threat to bystanders. 

One of them says "move" as you can hear in one of the other videos. They also still don't have any legal authority to tell American citizens to get out of their cars. She should have run him over, she would possibly have been alive today if she did.



crissindahouse said:

Will never understand why so many people watch this dude's opinion about politics, other countries, humans or anything when he has absolutely no clue about that. That dude barely leaves his house and may never see another country to experience that culture, probably doesn't talk to humans outside his circle or anything and he's the guy so many listen to when talking about all of that and taking his opinion as the correct one. 

Its pretty easy, he says what they think.  He doesn't need a clue, doesn't need to be educated in the topics and he doesn't need to think critical about the subject matter.  All he needs to do is feed into a particular bias and his audience is set.  If he were to deviate from that bias he would see huge push back and decline in his brand.



EricHiggin said:
konnichiwa said:

Video of the POV of the ICE agent just released (it is this one or the ten minute versions of any news station on youtube)

- Get out of the car...!    Get out of the car...!!   GET OUT OF THE CAR...!!!   What's their to not understand?

Especially when it says POLICE on the uniform



They should have let her just drive away? Personally I think her (wife?) is also to blame in pushing her to drive way. Drive Baby Drive!!!

I do really wonder how much the passenger played a role here. Would the driver had remained more calm and kept the vehicle stationary and parked if the passenger hadn't frantically called for them to try and make a getaway?

So what I believe I am hearing, you believe that this situation deserve lethal force am I correct or not.  Just want to make sure we get that point clear from your statement.



konnichiwa said:

Yeah I mean what do people expect?  
At this point people want them to shoot.

I expect more confrontations and death. The reason isn't because of videos of idiots like this but because of the methods used by Ice.

First lets just get a baseline of your opinion.  Do you support raids within communities primarily Hispanic communities of ICE.  Do you support raids at schools, hospitals, government office where people are actually having hearings on their status, gocery stores picking up anyone who appears Hispanic, has an accent or look like they are not white.