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Ryuu96 said:

There's no point even responding to the last point, illegal immigrants can't vote, Lol.

Unemployment rate is down a whopping 0.10% from May 25 to June 25 which comes from a previous increase of 0.20% from January 25 to March 25 where it remained steady until May 25. The stock market is not the economy, despite Trump's best efforts to crater it, the stock market is no longer believing Trump's tariffs at all and not taking them into account because they believe he will TACO.

Price of products are not down either.

While undocumented immigrants can't vote, they are still generally counted in the US census numbers which may increase the amount of Electoral College votes that a state gets. If a substantial amount of undocumented immigrants were pushed out of only blue leaning states, there may be a slight shift in favor of red states.

BUT, the assumption that the most arrests are occurring in blue states is just an assumption. What does the actual data look like?

Here is the data sorted by % of Total Population:

As you can see, 8 of the top 10 states by population lost are pretty safe Republican strongholds (Arizona being the only purple exception and Virginia being the only blue exception). While the % change is a fraction of 1% and would not be estimated to have any impact on Electoral College votes, if it had an impact it would predominantly harm Southern Republican states. 



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Tbh I don't know anymore, I thought Pam would be fired but I didn't expect Trump to come out defending her, it was possibly the dumbest move he could have made, I really didn't expect it, I thought he would just sacrifice her because he is typically loyal to nobody so who knows now, I think he may have fucked himself a little and played the worst card possible, if he doubles down on defending Bondi it'll be amazing, but I still have little hope MAGA will remain angry at him for too long, I still think they'll fall in line eventually.



sundin13 said:
Ryuu96 said:

There's no point even responding to the last point, illegal immigrants can't vote, Lol.

Unemployment rate is down a whopping 0.10% from May 25 to June 25 which comes from a previous increase of 0.20% from January 25 to March 25 where it remained steady until May 25. The stock market is not the economy, despite Trump's best efforts to crater it, the stock market is no longer believing Trump's tariffs at all and not taking them into account because they believe he will TACO.

Price of products are not down either.

While undocumented immigrants can't vote, they are still generally counted in the US census numbers which may increase the amount of Electoral College votes that a state gets. If a substantial amount of undocumented immigrants were pushed out of only blue leaning states, there may be a slight shift in favor of red states.

BUT, the assumption that the most arrests are occurring in blue states is just an assumption. What does the actual data look like?

Here is the data sorted by % of Total Population:

As you can see, 8 of the top 10 states by population lost are pretty safe Republican strongholds (Arizona being the only purple exception and Virginia being the only blue exception). While the % change is a fraction of 1% and would not be estimated to have any impact on Electoral College votes, if it had an impact it would predominantly harm Southern Republican states. 

Ah fair enough, I didn't consider the goddamn electoral college, Lol.

But looks like it's irrelevant either way. 😎



Ryuu96 said:
xboxgreen said:

If you are friends with someone who is a POS before the truth comes out I guess you are guilty too.

I would generally argue that if you're friends with a piece of shit then you too are very likely a piece of shit. But what do you mean before the truth comes out? Because there's a massive difference between the truth coming out to his close circle of friends and the truth coming out to the public. Very often with people like Epstein it is already well known by people in "upper circles" that the person is a monster before it becomes public knowledge, it happens all the time, people do know but are either too afraid to speak out or they too are apart of the fuckery.

Trump is a well known close associate of Epstein and now preventing his files from being released. But I suppose only poor old Trump gets the benefit of the doubt, he was totally clueless, didn't have a clue what was happening, everyone else who knew Epstein though? Automatically guilty, they were all in on it too, all of them paedophiles, but not poor old Trump, he didn't have a clue.

xboxgreen said:

You also forgot about the many Americans who would vote Republican because the illegal immigrants are gone and can have high paying jobs that aren't downgraded in pay by illegals. Also, housing will become more affordable too.

Americans have grown markedly more positive toward immigration over the past year, with the share wanting immigration reduced dropping from 55% in 2024 to 30% today. At the same time, a record-high 79% of U.S. adults say immigration is a good thing for the country.

Surge in U.S. Concern About Immigration Has Abated

Voters are easily manipulated and now realising how fucked up Trump's anti-immigration policy has been. Illegal immigrants are and never will be totally gone but Trump had to start rounding up practically everyone to start reaching his ridiculous numbers which has resulted in multiple unlawful imprisonments and false accusations.

"Can have high paying jobs that aren't downgraded in pay by illegals."

No. Americans will take those low paying jobs instead and then whine about it.

Also, housing will become more affordable too.

Explain how less demand of something, in this case homes to live in, and therefore less people buying/renting homes, will result in more affordable housing? What you want to do is build more homes and get in line the capitalist assholes and bloodsucking landlords who own chunks of the market and get to dictate the prices and people have to suck it up because otherwise they have to live on the streets.


According to fox new poll, many Americans like LEGAL immigrants but not Illegal immigrants.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-voters-view-legal-immigration-helpful-while-favoring-deporting-illegal-immigrants


Accidents are going to happen, but you cant make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.

Less demand means landlords / property management companies will have to lower their rents / house prices. Landlords and property management companies will be competing for tenants and sellers like crazy.





Ryuu96 said:
sundin13 said:

While undocumented immigrants can't vote, they are still generally counted in the US census numbers which may increase the amount of Electoral College votes that a state gets. If a substantial amount of undocumented immigrants were pushed out of only blue leaning states, there may be a slight shift in favor of red states.

BUT, the assumption that the most arrests are occurring in blue states is just an assumption. What does the actual data look like?

Here is the data sorted by % of Total Population:

As you can see, 8 of the top 10 states by population lost are pretty safe Republican strongholds (Arizona being the only purple exception and Virginia being the only blue exception). While the % change is a fraction of 1% and would not be estimated to have any impact on Electoral College votes, if it had an impact it would predominantly harm Southern Republican states. 

Ah fair enough, I didn't consider the goddamn electoral college, Lol.

But looks like it's irrelevant either way. 😎

Nope, miss the big picture. Everyone from liberal states are already moving to republican states like Texas and Florida to increase their electoral votes so it doesn't matter. However, Liberal states are already taking huge hits and lost electoral votes last time. Looks like it is going to be even worse next time around lol.

That is what they get for screwing their citizens by making COL ridiculously high.

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xboxgreen said:
Libara said:

I'm going to assume this post is satire. 

Nope, Trump is the best President we had in a long time. There are only a few things I would've done differently given the opportunity. 

trump is the best president if you're a nazi racist pedophile. 



xboxgreen said:
Ryuu96 said:

Ah fair enough, I didn't consider the goddamn electoral college, Lol.

But looks like it's irrelevant either way. ðŸ˜Å½

Nope, miss the big picture. Everyone from liberal states are already moving to republican states like Texas and Florida to increase their electoral votes so it doesn't matter. However, Liberal states are already taking huge hits and lost electoral votes last time. Looks like it is going to be even worse next time around lol.

That is what they get for screwing their citizens by making COL ridiculously high.

Seems like you're just moving the goal posts now. Now it isn't about electoral college change because of ICE arrests but it's actually because of people moving within the US.

That's honestly a much more valid argument though. You should've started there.

People do move from high cost areas to lower cost areas, which does have an effect on Electoral College votes per state. That said, those people moving from blue States tend to move into blue cities in red states. I think if this trend continues, the rural portion of votes from states like Texas and Florida will decrease while the urban portion will increase, which also brings its own set of concerns for Republicans. There have been questions for years about whether Texas would become a swing state. Add a few million people from California and that starts to look a lot more likely, and once Texas becomes purple (or even blue), Republicans are going to have a lot to be concerned about nationally. 

As for Cost of Living, we are already seeing a lot of red states making many of the same mistakes that led the big blue states to where they are today. The rate of housing growth in a lot of these booming areas like Atlanta, Dallas, Miami etc has rapidly declined and housing costs are spiking. It may not be long until the housing affordability crisis becomes the number one issue across the country (if it isn't already). 



sundin13 said:
xboxgreen said:

Nope, miss the big picture. Everyone from liberal states are already moving to republican states like Texas and Florida to increase their electoral votes so it doesn't matter. However, Liberal states are already taking huge hits and lost electoral votes last time. Looks like it is going to be even worse next time around lol.

That is what they get for screwing their citizens by making COL ridiculously high.

Seems like you're just moving the goal posts now. Now it isn't about electoral college change because of ICE arrests but it's actually because of people moving within the US.

That's honestly a much more valid argument though. You should've started there.

People do move from high cost areas to lower cost areas, which does have an effect on Electoral College votes per state. That said, those people moving from blue States tend to move into blue cities in red states. I think if this trend continues, the rural portion of votes from states like Texas and Florida will decrease while the urban portion will increase, which also brings its own set of concerns for Republicans. There have been questions for years about whether Texas would become a swing state. Add a few million people from California and that starts to look a lot more likely, and once Texas becomes purple (or even blue), Republicans are going to have a lot to be concerned about nationally. 

As for Cost of Living, we are already seeing a lot of red states making many of the same mistakes that led the big blue states to where they are today. The rate of housing growth in a lot of these booming areas like Atlanta, Dallas, Miami etc has rapidly declined and housing costs are spiking. It may not be long until the housing affordability crisis becomes the number one issue across the country (if it isn't already). 

Both of those scenarios have happened in Arizona, which has long been a destination for Californian migrations. Nashville is getting expensive, and thanks to the issues in Florida, a new migration pattern called the “half-back” has emerged and is now driving up prices in East Tennessee and WNC. Even West Virginia is feeling it. 



SanAndreasX said:
sundin13 said:

Seems like you're just moving the goal posts now. Now it isn't about electoral college change because of ICE arrests but it's actually because of people moving within the US.

That's honestly a much more valid argument though. You should've started there.

People do move from high cost areas to lower cost areas, which does have an effect on Electoral College votes per state. That said, those people moving from blue States tend to move into blue cities in red states. I think if this trend continues, the rural portion of votes from states like Texas and Florida will decrease while the urban portion will increase, which also brings its own set of concerns for Republicans. There have been questions for years about whether Texas would become a swing state. Add a few million people from California and that starts to look a lot more likely, and once Texas becomes purple (or even blue), Republicans are going to have a lot to be concerned about nationally. 

As for Cost of Living, we are already seeing a lot of red states making many of the same mistakes that led the big blue states to where they are today. The rate of housing growth in a lot of these booming areas like Atlanta, Dallas, Miami etc has rapidly declined and housing costs are spiking. It may not be long until the housing affordability crisis becomes the number one issue across the country (if it isn't already). 

Both of those scenarios have happened in Arizona, which has long been a destination for Californian migrations. Nashville is getting expensive, and thanks to the issues in Florida, a new migration pattern called the “half-back” has emerged and is now driving up prices in East Tennessee and WNC. Even West Virginia is feeling it. 

Yeah, it really seems like cities like NYC and LA saw their housing price spikes over the last couple decades more because their success caused them to expand faster and hit their expansion limit, rather than any unique policy decisions. Other cities are finding that they are now running up against those same expansion limits and would do well to learn from the mistakes made in the past which could have taken some pressure off of the markets. 

AKA please allow your suburbs to densify instead of locking the door behind them and screwing everyone else over in the process. Unless we start building a ton of new cities, the ones we have need to get a lot denser or things are going to get real bad real quick for just about everyone.



Libara said:
xboxgreen said:

Nope, Trump is the best President we had in a long time. There are only a few things I would've done differently given the opportunity. 

trump is the best president if you're a nazi racist pedophile. 

You don't know what any of those terms mean.