People aren't drawing Swastika's on other peoples Tesla's, they're drawing the Hindu symbol of good luck and prosperity

In all seriousness, I give that a big fat "Meh", Lol. Musk is a Nazi but we've known for years how much of a POS he is, I'm not going to condone vandalising someone's property but at the same time I struggle to care this much about it. There are actually important things to care about, like Musk dismantling America's institutions, illegally firing thousands of people, spreading dangerous fake news and propaganda over Twitter, etc. And these attacks on peoples actual vehicles are a very small minority.

An attack on Tesla vehicles sitting in a factory or building unsold is not an attack on citizens either and is very much an attack on Musk. That is very much "raging against the machine" and protests throughout history are often violent in nature. Don't ever move to France, you'd have a heart attack seeing how the French stand up to their governments bullshit, Lol.

Americans are facing a recession precisely because of billionaires like Musk, supporting the Trump administration which doesn't have a clue, nor care about what they do to America's economy to enrich themselves when it all collapses. Musk's companies would very much survive without him and actually, a large part of the propping up of those companies comes from the government subsidies and billion dollar contracts that they receive, so in a way you could say it is the people who are propping up Musk's companies, Lol.

Musk's companies aren't propping up much. Tesla is an overinflated meme stock, vehicle company, Twitter is a loss maker and SpaceX's existence relies on the Government. China is definitely rubbing one out, watching Trump destroy America from the inside and then attacking all of America's allies, thus in turn weakening America's soft power and increasing China's.

People in Europe want to defend against Russia by blocking Russian propaganda and Russian puppets, that is not limiting speech, that is protecting yourselves against an aggressor, that is actually, contrary to what you believe, defending democracy. Upholding democracy doesn't mean just letting anyone come in and inject their poison just because "free speech" and allowing people to spread lies because "free speech"

But seriously, US who'll uphold free speech? They're actively trying to deport someone for being pro-Palestine, Lmao. But hey it's cool because they are pro-free speech when it comes to KKK and Neo-Nazis. Did you say that (unless I'm reading it wrong) it's okay for it to cause "severe real world harm" as well? And that it's worth the entire system crashing, a WW3? All so people can have their "free speech"? Lol. People have free speech but freedom of speech doesn't mean and has never meant, freedom from consequence.

For example, if people start screaming racial slurs, they should be kicked out of the establishment they're in, if someone says on here they believe in Eugenics, they will be permabanned, these aren't just casual stray thoughts or speaking out of emotion, they're simply being a massive dickhead and people should fear being that because that level of "free speech" leads to people normalising Hitler salutes, normalising hatred towards certain cultures, then eventually leads to concentration camps and wars.

So it depends on what "free speech" you're talking about, because there absolutely should be some level of rules against certain things.

You should be on his side unless it is proved, in a court of law,  that he demonstrably caused harm. It is supposed to be illegal for the U.S. government to "disappear" people the way they have done to him. 

The Trump admin is basically mixing all "Pro-Palestine" voices with "Pro-Hamas" voices and using that as an excuse to attack and deport them, I mean, Trump literally today, called Chuck Schumer a "Palestine" (Chuck Schumer is Jewish) simply because Chuck gave some half-assed both side statement which was semi-in support of the Pro-Palestine fella they're trying to deport.

The Trump admin for months has been attacking pro-Palestine voices and mislabelling them all as Pro-Hamas because they want to make them seem like terrorists. Shit...You can't even say the word cisgender on Twitter, Lol. Republicans are huge hypocrites when it comes to this "free speech" business. Can't even show vague support of the LGBTQ+ community without them losing their shit.

They always were. For decades, I've seen them saying that Joseph McCarthy (who was a degenerate junkie who overdosed on drugs supplied to him by his friends in the DEA) was right and the U.S. should have continued jailing anybody suspected of un-American activities. 

Freedom of Speech until you insult America or Israel, Lol.

Trump: "Schumer is a Palestinian as far as I'm concerned. He's become a Palestinian. He used to be Jewish. He's not Jewish anymore. He's a Palestinian."

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— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 12 March 2025 at 17:11

They don't even bother trying to say "Pro-Hamas" anymore, they simply just say "He's a Palestinian" as if that is an insult, because to them it is an insult, they want to make it seem like being Pro-Palestine or straight up Palestinian is something to be ashamed of, as if it is wrong to be that, they don't even bother trying to hide it. Not just being in support of the country but straight up being Palestinian is a bad thing to them.

They're trying to label an entire group in a bad light, it's fucked up.

But no surprise from the dude advocating for an ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

Trump to Canada, Greenland: we are going to take you one way or the other! 

But it's those libs who are causing all the issues!!!

So much of their rhetoric has a distinctly rapey quality to it. 

Anything that doesn't cause harm or lead to harm. If the people your defending who have a right to violently protest didn't have a voice or were so afraid of their Governemnt like in China where they actually get "disappeared" as someone said above you wouldn't see any of this for all the wrong reasons. You are for freedom of press but not free speech which is the backbone of freedom of press. And yes, someone can say something out of emotion or from a completely innocent perspective or even a bad joke and still be held to account as people like the KKK, putting neaurodivergent people at severe risk of these laws and you can't do two tier justice so no protections and also the beurocracy would not see a difference either way. And like I said before, our governments change, now those laws could work for you but in 10 years those laws could work very much against you and you could be put in jail for speaking undeniable objective facts that are clear for anyone with eyes to see. 

I know I don't have much in the way to give you in discussion but as I'm neurodivergent I fear getting banned for saying the wrong thing much like I and many will fear getting sent to jail for saying or doing the wrong thing (or acting the "wrong way" which is seen as creepy and can cause offence) should these laws, against all common sense, be put on paper. Also, don't give me the, if you've nothing hateful to say you won't be jailed but when laws become ridiculously wishy washy like the site rules here and on many other sites that are volunteer moderated anything can be taken as hateful or the judge can rule against someone based on their emotion or political stance and get away with it Scott free. 

This is the first brick in our modern western society that if pulled will cause a whole heap of other bricks to come tumbling down on top of us, war or no war and in the cyber age it's probable and logical to think that we may never get these freedoms back as, like you said protests in the past have been violent but violent protests have proved to do absolutely nothing in the age we live in, in fact it they help with control and governmental manipulation as we saw in Hong Kong. 

Tag me when the gun turns around the other way, religious zeolets have gained control of EU countries and have these laws to work with and you, a poor atheist who has posted all your opinions online gets life in jail for not having the right opinions retroactively. 

Khalil’s arrest followed an ‘escalating doxxing campaign’, lawyer says

We’ve been speaking to the Columbia student’s lawyer, Amy Greer.

She says the graduate student was arrested following an “escalating doxxing campaign … led by a number of bad actors, who continuously tagged him” in online posts to US Secretary of State Marco Rubio as well as the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency.

These actors “continuously painted his advocacy for the Palestinian people as something other than what it was”, she says.

The lawyer says she is yet to see the warrant for Khalil’s arrest.

Greer, who was on the phone with Khalil during the arrest, says the ICE agent informed her the State Department had revoked his student visa. When she told the agent Khalil was a lawful permanent resident and therefore does not have a student visa, they said the State Department had revoked that too.

“I said they can’t do that. He’s entitled to due process under the law, and I was told he would go in front of an immigration judge. I then demanded to see the warrant before they detained Mahmoud and removed him from his home and his family, but the agent hung up on me. So as of yet, I have never seen a warrant.”

_{Protesters gather in Foley Square outside the Manhattan federal court in support of detained Columbia University student Mahmoud Khalil}

US judge extends order blocking deportation of Columbia student

New York district judge Jesse Furman has extended an order blocking US federal authorities from deporting detained student Mahmoud Khalil.

Furman, who had temporarily blocked Khalil’s deportation earlier this week, extended the ban saying he needed more time to consider whether the 29-year-old’s arrest violated the US Constitution.

The Trump administration has accused Khalil of being a Hamas supporter for participating in Palestinian solidarity protests at Columbia University.

Khalil’s lawyers and rights groups argue the arrest and attempted deportation of a US legal resident for exercising their First Amendment right to free speech is unconstitutional.

She says that she filed a petition at 4:15am on Sunday, hours after the his arrest, to keep him in the jurisdiction of New York, where Columbia University is located.

Greer, Khalil’s lawyer, and her colleagues did not hear from Khalil or ICE until Monday, “at which point we learned that he had not just been taken from New York to New Jersey, he had been flown across halfway across the country to Louisiana” in the south.

At present, the lawyers are trying to have Khalil’s case heard in the Southern District of New York, she says.

“Ultimately we are arguing that Mahmoud is being unconstitutionally detained for a number of reasons, and that what the Secretary of State is doing, and that the particular section of the Immigration and Nationality Act that Mahmoud is being detained under… this is an impermissible use of that provision,” she adds.