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All I know is the boycotters made a website so people could find out who was streaming Harry Potter and go harass them. Not the best behaviour to display if you want someone to take you serious.
https://www.dexerto.com/hogwarts-legacy/silvervale-in-tears-over-hogwarts-legacy-twitch-stream-harassment-2064748/
Then you see stuff like this right here, can be hard to like them sometimes, or even take them serious. Anyways, I really don't care, these issues don't affect me, so it ultimately doesn't matter what happens, and the Harry Potter universe is lame.



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Trumpstyle said:

Don't know much about the trans issue and don't have any interest in it, I just read wikipedia and it says this:

A 2021 literature review concluded that for trans women, even with testosterone suppression, "the data show that strength, lean body mass, muscle size and bone density are only trivially affected. The reductions observed in muscle mass, size, and strength are very small compared to the baseline differences between males and females in these variables, and thus, there are major performance and safety implications in sports where these attributes are competitively significant."[80] After 24 months of testosterone suppression, bone mass is generally preserved. The review states that no study has reported muscle loss greater than 12% with testosterone suppression even after three years of hormone therapy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_people_in_sports

A moderater said otherwise

There is no doubt about a physical advantage.  There was a trans swimmer in college who is shattering all the records that biological females trained their whole lives to set.  Somebody like JK being concerned about this doesn't make her phobic.  But again, it is about assimilation and forcing others to agree to all terms.  Sad state of affairs.  People elect to ignore facts and science.  But compare NBA vs WNBA...  average NBA player is 7 inches taller and 50 pounds heavier....   

I'm a father of two daughters, both black belts.  I would not want my daughters going up against somebody in competition who has a massive physical advantage.  There is nothing phobic about this stance.  I fully want people to be who they are, but safety does matter.  

As for boycotts in general, people are free to do what they want.  The problem is when the boycott is treated like a religion and folks are attempting to force others into alignment. I, and others, shouldn't be viewed as a bad person because we don't agree with the boycott. 

My kids are loving the game.  I plan on playing it tomorrow.  My position should be respected as much as the position of those who want to boycott.

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Pemalite said:
Chrkeller said:

"If you don't agree you are wrong" mentality sounds like assimilation.  Lol.  

Too each their own.  Home school was flatly the best decision I made for my kids.  They are literally years ahead on math and science.

Seems if religion is being pushed in American public schools... Then obviously scientific fact and evidence-based approaches is taking a backseat anyway.

Nothing wrong with home schooling.


abronn627 said:

But you also have to realized that you have taken a stance as a TEAM on that specific subjet in that controversy over Hogwart's Legacy call's to boycott. You have presented the fact that the JK Rowling is transphobic and you're standing behind that fact. It's your right, it's your prerogative, and nobody can ask tell you what you should think or not on the subject. If you want to take a stance, you're free to do so.

What we-the Admin team are trying to accomplish is to put a stop with people judging others in a negative fashion based on what reproductive organs they may or may not posses. - It's not yours, it's not our business... We don't have the right to judge someone based on that, that shit is private and exclusive to the individual, so mind your business.


And no, we are not forcing people to think a certain way, we are trying to stop people attacking a community of living, breathing, amazing, people... Just because another group feel the need to be cunts about it.


abronn627 said:

But that's the social climate we have right now. Any -ism or -phobic words are more and more commonly used to shut down a conversation or discredite a person's point of view, thus they're losing their meaning. Even suggesting something isn't transphobic can be seen as transphobic. There's less and less place for debate.

When a discussion turns from being positive and constructive, to negative and destructive, with people openly attacking innocent trans people, then yes, that conversation absolutely must be shut down.


The topic itself is actually irrelevant, if people were on a constant, negative tirade against another group of people, then we would also shut that down.


The goal is to stop people from being assholes, we have a duty of care as forum staff to try and make conversations as cohesive and free-flowing as possible in a positive and constructive fashion.


So no. It's not cancel culture, wokeism or whatever other word you want to associate with it, we are just trying to stop people from being dickheads... Having a whinge because -you- can no longer attack another demographic is just bullshit and you know it.

Debate is perfectly fine, people just overstepped the line.

Apologies for some of my wording, my Australian is in full swing on this topic this morning, it seems.

if this were the case what does hogwards legacy have to do with it? this thread is due to how the Original post is worded, baiting for offensive replies

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flaming has been enforced for 16 years

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Boycotting anything for whatever reason is all fine and dandy, trying to force it on others isn't.
Even worse are the people who think people who don't boycott the game are transphobic. These same people are the ones who bully those poor streamers.
People like that have issues and need therapy.

I personally think that this whole boycott is pointless. If the game flopped it wouldn't affect Rowling at all. But it would affect many other people who worked hard on it for years. The boycotters just ignore the developers like they don't matter.



Mummelmann said:

After almost 16 years on this site, I have to say this is just about the most disappointed I've felt with the mod team and site admins. This is the type of thing that vgchartz is known for not doing, and one of the reasons I love this place. I have no skin in this game, personally (I have no interest in HP or its author), but the principle of outright banning particular views or counters rubs me the wrong way. As does stretching the whole guilt by association-or proxy thing that's washing over the western world these past few years. I happen to belong to the classical liberal left, and this type of decision and reasoning makes me sad, more than anything.

Agree with Mummelmann here. This is very sad from a moderation perspective. Moderation is about applying rules in an unbiased fashion. It’s a hard job. Many of us have been mods on this site before. 

But this op comes across awfully biased, and discourages me from being apart of this community. I too am left leaning when it comes to politics and I am not a transphobe. There are many things I disagree with Rowling on and there are some I agree with. These topics are complex and we need strong unbiased mods to navigate it not whatever this thread is. 

guys please rethink the approach. There are many ways to achieve a cohesive community with civil discourse if that is the goal. If the goal is something else masked behind rules then please state it as such so that we can make an informed decision if we want to remain on this site.



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^ Classic example of "intelligent discussion"

Thanks for exposing yourself as a transphobe though.

Have your wish, I haven't banned anyone for a while, Lol.



Ryuu96 said:

^ Classic example of "intelligent discussion"

Thanks for exposing yourself as a transphobe though.

Have your wish, I haven't banned anyone for a while, Lol.

I have my critique as well, but that was exactly the kind of stuff that needs to be banned, if you ask me. Thank you!



Zkuq said:
Ryuu96 said:

^ Classic example of "intelligent discussion"

Thanks for exposing yourself as a transphobe though.

Have your wish, I haven't banned anyone for a while, Lol.

I have my critique as well, but that was exactly the kind of stuff that needs to be banned, if you ask me. Thank you!

Yeah, I was going to say, not even a lot of the users in here disagreeing with the Mod team would stand by that disgusting transphobia expressed by that user, I've zero tolerance for the bigot stuff, I don't want anyone here who agrees with that. I'd say that a lot of comments have been put forward respectfully despite the initial confusion which was hopefully cleared up.

Personally, I don't mind the critiques, I try to listen to them, I don't Mod much lately though and I'm not really that invested in it as much as I once was, but I have confidence that the Mod team is listening and ultimately we've always just tried to do the right thing to make the site more welcoming. That has been my experience of working with this team over the years, a bunch of great guys.

At least the only user moderated was an actual transphobe and we're now rid of one, Lol. I think the clarifications seem to have helped a little and I've seen the comments about the tone, that is something that can easily be worked on. I've lost my cool a lot over the years infinitely worse over certain touchy subjects but we can always work on framing things better.

I'll just ask for understanding that we aren't perfect or emotionless, a few of these subjects hit closer to home for us, for those that disliked the tone.