Shaunodon said:
Ryuu96 said:
Well I think that's part of the problem, even Basil has responded a bit confused, Lol. Part of the reason it comes across poorly is precisely because it was Basil's post that you latched onto and it simply looks like it's looking for an argument for argument sake. Idk what to tell you, the Xbox news I'm seeing lately isn't "generally negative" so we have different views there. You said you was disappointed in Avowed, I do object to how you frame your criticism at the time, it was very forceful and came across like only your opinion is the correct one, but you expressed your disappointment so I don't see how you was forced to stop talking about it, folk simply didn't like how you framed your criticism. But even so, nobody has told you to post positive about Avowed, you have not posted a single positive comment about Avowed (and that's fine, I'm not telling you to? Nobody is...) but I don't see what more there is to add? What are we forcing you to stop talking about? You already said you disliked it? How many times can you post that you dislike it in different framing? Lol. It's just glaring how many regulars here actually feel the need to own a PS5. - I straight up don't "feel" this at all, Lol. I don't feel the need to own a PS5 and there's plenty of people in here still playing Xbox, even before the strategy shift, a large portion of this thread was on PC anyway due to Xbox releasing on PC. After the shift, a few more have moved to PC. Then there's those who own all platforms. How long do we wait for them to do that? Seems like every year we say the production is finally catching up, then half the games are delayed, many of them are disappointing, and the great ones get put straight on PlayStation. Aside from the fact that every Xbox title this year is releasing on PlayStation which fits with your last point, I straight up can't see how you can look at Xbox's release schedule for 2025 and be disappointed, Lol. Their 2025 is absolutely jammed with releases and Avowed was not disappointing to me or many others but we're not all going to agree on every single release. It does just feel like Xbox isn't for you anymore if you can look at 2025 and be not excited at all about anything. |
Maybe it didn't sound positive, but the initial thing I said about Avowed was it would have been good if it was actually marketed and sold for what it was-- an action-adventure game with some nice exploration and streamlined gameplay. And it should have been priced correctly to fit that. The main problem was they never addressed the early expectations for the game and just quietly released it thinking people would somehow re-adjust those expectations on their own. The only thing I believed as fact is that Avowed wouldn't do well and that the ongoing sentiment would be poor. I wanted people to enjoy the game despite that. Even though I found it disappointing I still had some fun with it. Can you really tell me with a straight face you believe it's a success? If so, that's fine. Xbox won't give us any hard numbers so there's nothing more to even say there. There's some games I'm excited for, sure. It's not that they're going to PS5 that bothers me; the likes of DOOM, Oblivion, Tony Hawk and the later Ninja Gaiden games were already third-party titles to begin with, even if they're published by Xbox now. I didn't buy an Xbox just to play those or I wouldn't have bought one. If they have some Final Fantasy ports on the way to fill the gaps, then obviously that would be great, but those rumours have been circling for a while now without anything concrete. Do you even remember how far into this generation we are? Unless you're an avid GamePass user, Xbox isn't for you or me. There's nothing wrong with GamePass either, just that if I knew that was the only reason for owning an Xbox, I wouldn't. I'm pretty sure others, even some active GamePass users, wish that wasn't the case either. Maybe that reality was accepted much earlier by others than me. I just hoped they were still trying even if it's too late. |
It wasn't about it sounding positive or negative, it was simply how it was framed, as I said it came across like you was enforcing your opinion as the only true opinion and then you stretched it to "doom" other Xbox releases, it came across like "Avowed sucks, Xbox never learns, their future RPGs are doomed" Lol.
What you said just now was framed better, although I still very much disagree that Avowed isn't an RPG, it is as much of an RPG as The Outer Worlds, The Elder Scrolls, Dragon Age, Mass Effect, etc. I also disagree that they didn't address expectations, they repeatedly said this wasn't The Elder Scrolls and was more in line with The Outer Worlds, that it wasn't a massive RPG.
You believed Avowed wouldn't do well and the sentiment would be poor based on a few days worth of data, which told us nothing about sales/players and was far from poor with overall player reception in those few days, it was a shaky declaration of fact to make with such little data and so early its life. I do believe Avowed will/is a success but I can't state that as a fact with such little data, though Obsidian straight up said they're happy with the performance thus far and that's all we really have to go on, you may say "of course they'll say that" but it also performed in line with The Outer Worlds on Steam which was another success, it is charting well in TA and Circana and RPGs tend to have nice legs.
The Final Fantasy rumours I'm speaking about come from Nate who has an incredible track record and straight up said FF16 is releasing this year on Xbox and FF7R will follow (I forgot if he said this year or next year for FF7R) so it's simply a case of being patient. Then after these come, it's very likely that future FF's will also release day one on Xbox, just like the next Silent Hill will.