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Ryuu96 said:

Gonna have to audit my boi Phil on that Persona 5 Tactica... 



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No cheevos earned for TActica for fraud Spencer.

Tbf the first one takes some time as you get it once you can fuse personas, forget how many fights in that is though.



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GTA 6 REVEAL THIS MONTH!!!

Who else besides my boi Noble are hyped for GTA 6.



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I’m just concerned GTA Online and the current trend of AAA games being built as GaaS will have affected GTA6s single player.



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It's impressive to me how much better Vice City is to 3, when it was released like a year later... So far my second fave GTA behind 5.



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KiigelHeart said:
Machiavellian said:

Why would MS be clearer on how they are going to achieve their goal.  I believe one of the biggest issues with most gamers is that you constantly just ignore what is right in front of your face.  The Xbox console stop being a focal point for MS ever since Phil took over.  Once he made first party development work on PC and console at the same time, he already decided what is more important for MS gaming division, next was GP.  GP has and will be the most important product for MS gaming.  It's the reason they bought Bethesda and ABK and it will be the reason they make any moves in the future.  Everything revolves around GP and since GP inception MS has not been coy about their direction.  You all should be thinking of the Xbox console like MS other hardware.  They are minor extension of MS business but not their main products.  GP is MS main product; it aligns perfectly with MS as a business since MS is a service provider and software company way more than a hardware provider.

As far as when MS make their move to fully become 3rd party, that might not actually ever happen.  What will happen is that MS will do whatever they can to expand GP to every platform as long as the margins is in line with their business goals.  MS will continue to make Xbox hardware just like they continue to make all their other hardware, because it keeps people within their eco system and services but the goal will always to extend GP to all gaming platforms.

Their messaging should be clearer because these kind of statements will further hurt console sales. Consumers might not want to invest in their hardware or even ecosystem if they feel Xbox consoles might be dropped. And since we don't know if Sony will even allow GP on PlayStation (why would they?) this statement is completely pointless.

No need to state the obvious about Microsoft's strategy since I don't believe they want to drop their own hardware or go 3rd party. I simply took an issue with this statement & mixed messaging.

This is where you do not understand.  MS does not care about what you care about.  Its not like this is the first rodeo.  MS cannot be more clear about their direction and I really struggle to understand why it's so hard to understand.  MS does not care about hurting console sales.  They stopped caring about hurting console sales when they put day one all their first party games on PC. If MS cared about hurting their console market, they would push everything through a marketing department which they do not.

I just do not see any mix message.  MS has pretty much always from the get go that GP is their future.  They have invested everything into it and all their moves have been towards making it successful.  Yes, the Xbox console is a biproduct of that direction, but you can believe MS did not pay 69 billion dollars for Xbox.  They paid 69 billion dollars for GP and the future of their services within the gaming space.

Also, you are taking this statement way to literally.  What a person wants and what can be achieved is 2 different things.  Phil would love to purchase Nintendo, it's probably never going to happen but if by some luck or act of GOD the opportunity happens, MS would take advantage of it.  It's the same with GP.  MS would love to put GP on everything but achieving that isn't going to happen the way the market is today.  That does not mean the market will remain this way forever because MS themselves is trying to disrupt the market.

So in my opinion the message cannot be any clearer.  MS will do whatever it takes to make GP a success.  They will pour huge amounts of resources at the problem because gaming, not just console gaming but gaming in general is a huge market and they want to be competitive in all areas but mostly they want GP to be the service of choice for all areas of gaming.



shikamaru317 said:

Ugh. No real explanation, just some PR fluff about how they listen to the community but don't always do what the community wants. I just can't understand jacking up the price in Brazil when they had a price advantage over PS5 there. They jacked the Series S price up from 2500 Brazilian Real to 3600 Brazilian Real, a massive increase from 2 months of working a minimum wage job to 3 months of working a minimum wage job. Sony already capitalized on the boneheaded move, slashing the PS5 price for Black Friday week to match the new price of Series S.

The worst part is, there seems to be no real reason for the price hike beyond pure greed by Microsoft's bean counters, the Brazilian Real to USD exchange rate has been fairly stable, with the value of 1 Brazilian Real hovering around between 0.19-0.21 US cents nearly all year, tiny variations, a 3 penny range save for a single week where it was worth 0.18 US cents instead of 0.19-0.21 

Its very simple, MS does not care about being competitive in the Brazilian market.  Its going to dawn on a lot of you that what MS cares about and what you care about is not on the same page.  You call it pure greed but remember that MS is selling at a loss.  If they are not making that loss up in a market they will not continue to lose money.  Without really knowing the P/L MS has in the market you really have no clue why they made this decision.  MS just do not sell enough in that market to come to the conclusion that its greed without knowing the full scope of the issues present in that market.



Machiavellian said:
shikamaru317 said:

Ugh. No real explanation, just some PR fluff about how they listen to the community but don't always do what the community wants. I just can't understand jacking up the price in Brazil when they had a price advantage over PS5 there. They jacked the Series S price up from 2500 Brazilian Real to 3600 Brazilian Real, a massive increase from 2 months of working a minimum wage job to 3 months of working a minimum wage job. Sony already capitalized on the boneheaded move, slashing the PS5 price for Black Friday week to match the new price of Series S.

The worst part is, there seems to be no real reason for the price hike beyond pure greed by Microsoft's bean counters, the Brazilian Real to USD exchange rate has been fairly stable, with the value of 1 Brazilian Real hovering around between 0.19-0.21 US cents nearly all year, tiny variations, a 3 penny range save for a single week where it was worth 0.18 US cents instead of 0.19-0.21 

Its very simple, MS does not care about being competitive in the Brazilian market.  Its going to dawn on a lot of you that what MS cares about and what you care about is not on the same page.  You call it pure greed but remember that MS is selling at a loss.  If they are not making that loss up in a market they will not continue to lose money.  Without really knowing the P/L MS has in the market you really have no clue why they made this decision.  MS just do not sell enough in that market to come to the conclusion that its greed without knowing the full scope of the issues present in that market.

That is a big part of the problem. Xbox fans are annoyed with the fact that Xbox no longer seems to want to compete, they keep showing that they have resigned themselves to a distant 3rd place.  It's a mentality issue, many Xbox fans don't want to be lead by people that have resigned themselves to defeat, it's difficult to support people who have a losing mentality. We know that if Xbox gives up on competing as hard as they can in hardware sales, it will only exacerbate the software issues that Xbox already faces, because when publishers and indie developers do market research on which consoles to port their games to, market share absolutely factors into that decision. Xbox fans don't want to need multiple console just to play all of the games we are interested in, and yet we've now had 2 generations in a row where many of us felt it necessary to need to own Xbox + PS or Xbox + Switch or all 3 to play all of the games we want to play. Xbox fans were used to being kings in the 360 generation, used to getting nearly every 3rd party game in existence, and understandably many of us want that back again. 

But it's more than just that, the new price of Series S in Brazil is 3600 real, equivalent to $730 USD, the chances of Series S costing twice as much to manufacture and sell in Brazil as it costs in the US is slim. I distinctly remember reading in the past that Xbox ships Xbox parts to Brazil and then assembles them locally to avoid Brazil's huge trade tariffs, which is why Xbox consoles have always cost less than PS consoles in Brazil, because Sony imports instead and pays the trade tariffs while Xbox manufactures locally to avoid those tariffs. That strategy has allowed Xbox to lead PS in sales for 3 generations in a row in Brazil, with Brazil being the only market where Xbox One outsold PS4 from what I've heard.

Even if Xbox decided to stop manufacturing locally and start importing consoles instead, Series S should not cost as much as it now costs. Sony sells PS5 digital at an MSRP of 3800 real in Brazil from what I've read, while the new Series S price is 3600 real, in terms of USD that is $730 USD vs $770 USD, a $40 USD gap between them. In the US by comparison there is typically a $100-150 USD gap between Series S and PS5 digital, much larger than the $40 gap that now separates them in Brazil. Not to mention the bad optics of suddenly increasing the price of a console by a whopping 38% in Brazil. Brazilian Xbox fans are understandably furious, and even Xbox fans outside of Brazil have plenty of reason for concern watching a move like that from the outside.

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