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Machiavellian said:
shikamaru317 said:

Ugh. No real explanation, just some PR fluff about how they listen to the community but don't always do what the community wants. I just can't understand jacking up the price in Brazil when they had a price advantage over PS5 there. They jacked the Series S price up from 2500 Brazilian Real to 3600 Brazilian Real, a massive increase from 2 months of working a minimum wage job to 3 months of working a minimum wage job. Sony already capitalized on the boneheaded move, slashing the PS5 price for Black Friday week to match the new price of Series S.

The worst part is, there seems to be no real reason for the price hike beyond pure greed by Microsoft's bean counters, the Brazilian Real to USD exchange rate has been fairly stable, with the value of 1 Brazilian Real hovering around between 0.19-0.21 US cents nearly all year, tiny variations, a 3 penny range save for a single week where it was worth 0.18 US cents instead of 0.19-0.21 

Its very simple, MS does not care about being competitive in the Brazilian market.  Its going to dawn on a lot of you that what MS cares about and what you care about is not on the same page.  You call it pure greed but remember that MS is selling at a loss.  If they are not making that loss up in a market they will not continue to lose money.  Without really knowing the P/L MS has in the market you really have no clue why they made this decision.  MS just do not sell enough in that market to come to the conclusion that its greed without knowing the full scope of the issues present in that market.

That is a big part of the problem. Xbox fans are annoyed with the fact that Xbox no longer seems to want to compete, they keep showing that they have resigned themselves to a distant 3rd place.  It's a mentality issue, many Xbox fans don't want to be lead by people that have resigned themselves to defeat, it's difficult to support people who have a losing mentality. We know that if Xbox gives up on competing as hard as they can in hardware sales, it will only exacerbate the software issues that Xbox already faces, because when publishers and indie developers do market research on which consoles to port their games to, market share absolutely factors into that decision. Xbox fans don't want to need multiple console just to play all of the games we are interested in, and yet we've now had 2 generations in a row where many of us felt it necessary to need to own Xbox + PS or Xbox + Switch or all 3 to play all of the games we want to play. Xbox fans were used to being kings in the 360 generation, used to getting nearly every 3rd party game in existence, and understandably many of us want that back again. 

But it's more than just that, the new price of Series S in Brazil is 3600 real, equivalent to $730 USD, the chances of Series S costing twice as much to manufacture and sell in Brazil as it costs in the US is slim. I distinctly remember reading in the past that Xbox ships Xbox parts to Brazil and then assembles them locally to avoid Brazil's huge trade tariffs, which is why Xbox consoles have always cost less than PS consoles in Brazil, because Sony imports instead and pays the trade tariffs while Xbox manufactures locally to avoid those tariffs. That strategy has allowed Xbox to lead PS in sales for 3 generations in a row in Brazil, with Brazil being the only market where Xbox One outsold PS4 from what I've heard.

Even if Xbox decided to stop manufacturing locally and start importing consoles instead, Series S should not cost as much as it now costs. Sony sells PS5 digital at an MSRP of 3800 real in Brazil from what I've read, while the new Series S price is 3600 real, in terms of USD that is $730 USD vs $770 USD, a $40 USD gap between them. In the US by comparison there is typically a $100-150 USD gap between Series S and PS5 digital, much larger than the $40 gap that now separates them in Brazil. Not to mention the bad optics of suddenly increasing the price of a console by a whopping 38% in Brazil. Brazilian Xbox fans are understandably furious, and even Xbox fans outside of Brazil have plenty of reason for concern watching a move like that from the outside.

Last edited by shikamaru317 - on 01 December 2023