Just for context, 30% of VA's only make between $13,000 and $30,000 per year in the U.S. The next 21% make between $31,000 and $48,000.
https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Voice-Actor-Salary
High living!
Just for context, 30% of VA's only make between $13,000 and $30,000 per year in the U.S. The next 21% make between $31,000 and $48,000.
https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Voice-Actor-Salary
High living!
KLXVER said:
So companies have to keep paying voice actors until they get another job? PG would have had to pay for her for the last 8 years if that was the case. Like Ive said before its not a job you can make a living from in most cases. No matter how much VAs would like it to be. |
Okay, and while they work their full-time jobs that they need to work to survive how are they going to take off 1-2 weeks every few months when they get a gig? Again, in Europe this might be possible as people get a minimun of 5 weeks per year, but not going to be the norm in the U.S. There is no mandated paid leave, and why would one want to use their paid leave to work anyway?
| sc94597 said: Just for context, 30% of VA's only make between $13,000 and $30,000 per year in the U.S. The next 21% make between $31,000 and $48,000. |
Then dont go into that business then. Its not a full time job.
Its like me wanting to make a living out of mowing lawns. I mow my neighbors lawn and they pay me 100$. I try to get more work from other people and nobody wants my service. Should I then go back to my neighbor and tell them "Hey, you need to pay me more money because I cant make a living out of 100$"?
KLXVER said:
Then dont go into that business then. Its not a full time job. Its like me wanting to make a living out of mowing lawns. I mow my neighbors lawn and they pay me 100$. I try to get more work from other people and nobody wants my service. Should I then go back to my neighbor and tell them "Hey, you need to pay me more money because I cant make a living out of 100$"? |
Failed to address the point that if somebody has a full-time job, they are highly unlikely to have the availability necessary to be a VA. Given that VA work demands that availability, those paying for it need to pay for the opportunity cost, not just the actual working hours. Otherwise nobody would VA.
And that is why the rate is $250 /hr. Nobody would be a VA if it paid $15 /hr for 16 hours per week once every few months. That is fundamentally different from the nature of a landscaping business.
sc94597 said:
Failed to address the point that if somebody has a full-time job, they are highly unlikely to have the availability necessary to be a VA. Given that VA work demands that availability, those paying for it need to pay for the opportunity cost, not just the actual working hours. Otherwise nobody would VA. And that is why the rate is $250 /hr. Nobody would be a VA if it paid $15 /hr for 16 hours per week once every few months. That is fundamentally different from the nature of a landscaping business. |
Well they have a choice. Do voice acting or have a full-time job. If you can balance both because you have a job where you can pick your hours or you work from home or whatever, then great.
KLXVER said:
Well they have a choice. Do voice acting or have a full-time job. If you can balance both because you have a job where you can pick your hours or you work from home or whatever, then great. |
"Well they have a choice" leads down a pretty rough rabit hole. Imagine if all labor laws were constructed with that attitude (and the U.S, as an example, is really close to that reality as it is.) We'd all be living in a Second Gilded Age (if we aren't already.)
Fortunately, in developed countries people recognized that employment negotiations aren't necessarily balanced and laborers need protections. Even part-time laborers and even contractors.
Basically your argument is that if somebody chooses VA work they deserve to potentially fall into the half who don't make a living wage, but they have that choice, so it is okay and we need VA work to be done. ?


Hmm, I wonder what they are paying Hal. One thing from playing all the Bay games is that this VA voice is iconic to the character. What I mean by that is that I can without playing the games for years can easily visualize her voice for the character like I can for Master Chief and Mario etc. I wonder how close Hal voice will be to the character.
Either way, I believe this VA is barking up the wrong tree. Gamers really do not care about the quality of VA work in games and happy to sit there and listen to developers do the lines instead. Instead she should be looking to convince other VAs to skill P games but even still that is a tall order. One thing for sure, I do believe that P tried to low ball her because usually offering a flat fee for work such as this instead of the hourly rate seems very suspicious. Customers always try to do things like this and once they get you to sign a contract change up the work. I wonder what was the hourly rate for the other 2 games but without any real data on the subject its really hard to draw any real conclusions if or how much she was being low balled. At the end of the day I doubt most gamers will give a damn since it doesn't directly effect them and they can care less about someone else's problems.
I will be interested to see if Hal work is as good as this VA because from my experience this VA voice kind of defined Bay.
sc94597 said:
"Well they have a choice" leads down a pretty rough rabit hole. Imagine if all labor laws were constructed with that attitude (and the U.S, as an example, is really close to that reality as it is.) We'd all be living in a Second Gilded Age (if we aren't already.) Fortunately, in developed countries people recognized that employment negotiations aren't necessarily balanced and laborers need protections. Even part-time laborers and even contractors. Basically your argument is that if somebody chooses VA work they deserve to potentially fall into the half who don't make a living wage, but they have that choice, so it is okay and we need VA work to be done. 🙄 |
What? I wouldnt mind if every voice actor got plenty of work and made a great living doing what they love. Its just not reality. Its a very competitive scene. Just like if you want to be an actor, musician, author, pro athlete etc. Most people wont make a living on that alone. Thats just a very few percentage that can actually make a living doing any of those things.
| KLXVER said: What? I wouldnt mind if every voice actor got plenty of work and made a great living doing what they love. Its just not reality. Its a very competitive scene. Just like if you want to be an actor, musician, author, pro athlete etc. Most people wont make a living on that alone. Thats just a very few percentage that can actually make a living doing any of those things. |
So the reason why there are unions that most voice actors join is to reduce the competitiveness (which otherwise brings the price down below subsistence levels) and makes sure voice-actors can make a bare minimum wage. They negotiated that $250 /hr (or more) as they understood the opportunity costs associated with voice acting. They don't want voice acting to be only viable as a part-time position. They have a say and should have a say in remuneration.
The post I responded to which you responded to my response of, associated remuneration and value solely with what the employers think it is. But that isn't how things are in most developed countries and it certainly isn't how most people think it should be.
The logical conclusion of associating remuneration with solely the employer's idea of value is the Gilded Age. That is what we had when that was the sole consideration.
sc94597 said:
So the reason why there are unions that most voice actors join is to reduce the competitiveness (which otherwise brings the price down below subsistence levels) and makes sure voice-actors can make a bare minimum wage. They negotiated that $250 /hr (or more) as they understood the opportunity costs associated with voice acting. They don't want voice acting to be only viable as a part-time position. They have a say and should have a say in remuneration. The post I responded to which you responded to my response of, associated remuneration and value solely with what the employers think it is. But that isn't how things are in most developed countries and it certainly isn't how most people think it should be. The logical conclusion of associating remuneration with solely the employer's idea of value is the Gilded Age. That is what we had when that was the sole consideration. |
Every person who loves doing something would like to do it as a full time job. Its just not viable in many cases. Would be great if we all could just do what we love for a living. Thats just not how it is. We can dream, but thats about it.