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DonFerrari said:

If they wanted to give a no disclosure reason without faulting her they could even go to "we didn't meet an agreement in the project" or even taking heat for it giving a reason that would fault themselves. But when you lie and shift blame it is expected to see backlash, well at least from the person that have been damaged, since we are seeing more people siding against her here.

I dont think most of us are siding against her. If I had any powers in this, I would give her more money because I think she is worth it. I love her voice as Bayonetta. But its not up to us. Sure PG could have given a better response, but I still dont see how they blamed her. Thats what YOU read into the statement.



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KLXVER said:
Vodacixi said:

They could have:

- Said nothing (best option, probably wouldn't have triggered Hellena given the moment she decided to talk)

- Said anything but putting the blame on her

- Given a generic PR answer and move on

They decided to just  lie and say the fans of the game and the character that her iconic voice actress just didn't want to make room in her schedule to work on Bayonetta 3. Literally the worst course of action and a direct attack on her AFTER humilliating her before.

Yeah say nothing, because that worked wonders for the Bayonetta 2 exclusivity outrage.

Im trying to find the post where PG gives the reason, but the Helena video has just buried it. However I did see "various overlapping circumstances" That sounds like a generic PR answer to me. Dont see how that blames her. She wanted more than 4K, they didnt want to pay her that. Well isnt that a overlapping circumstance?

The Bayonetta 2 situation was completely different. No one was perjudiced un a personal level by that decision. They told the truth: they barked at many publisher's and none wanted to bring the project to life. Nintendo came in and paid for the game. End of the story. If fans didn't like the truth, that's on them.

And here you go:

https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/bayonetta-3-recast-hellena-taylor-jennifer-hale-nintendo-switch/

"Various overlapping circumstances made it difficult for Hellena Taylor to reprise her role".

I think it's pretty clear that they reffer to circumstances on Hellena's side. Not in general.

But either if they reffered to Hellena or if both parties had difficulties scheduling the recordings, as I said before those declaration are absolutely harmless to Hellena if they are true. The only way to make her this mad... Is if they aren't xD



Vodacixi said:
KLXVER said:

Yeah say nothing, because that worked wonders for the Bayonetta 2 exclusivity outrage.

Im trying to find the post where PG gives the reason, but the Helena video has just buried it. However I did see "various overlapping circumstances" That sounds like a generic PR answer to me. Dont see how that blames her. She wanted more than 4K, they didnt want to pay her that. Well isnt that a overlapping circumstance?

The Bayonetta 2 situation was completely different. No one was perjudiced un a personal level by that decision. They told the truth: they barked at many publisher's and none wanted to bring the project to life. Nintendo came in and paid for the game. End of the story. If fans didn't like the truth, that's on them.

And here you go:

https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/bayonetta-3-recast-hellena-taylor-jennifer-hale-nintendo-switch/

"Various overlapping circumstances made it difficult for Hellena Taylor to reprise her role".

I think it's pretty clear that they reffer to circumstances on Hellena's side. Not in general.

Well she didnt want to do the role, so it is on her side. They offered her 4K and she said no. How is that PGs fault when thats the industry standard?

Again I would pay her more, but they didnt want to. Why? I dont know. Maybe she is difficult to work with? Maybe they just wanted someone else? Its hard to speculate on that without hearing from the other side. 

All we can do is take her word for it. She has no evidence for anything. At least show us the email or whatever where Kamiya offered her 4K. Or tell us how much money you wanted. So until I hear from PG or she shows us something substantial, Im not going to just take her word for it. 



KLXVER said:
DonFerrari said:

If they wanted to give a no disclosure reason without faulting her they could even go to "we didn't meet an agreement in the project" or even taking heat for it giving a reason that would fault themselves. But when you lie and shift blame it is expected to see backlash, well at least from the person that have been damaged, since we are seeing more people siding against her here.

I dont think most of us are siding against her. If I had any powers in this, I would give her more money because I think she is worth it. I love her voice as Bayonetta. But its not up to us. Sure PG could have given a better response, but I still dont see how they blamed her. Thats what YOU read into the statement.

Well there have been plenty saying she was already making to much, that she shouldn't receive more, that they have waited to long to give a fuck about her, that other devs would be hit harder because of the boycott and they deserve better than her, etc. Not saying you are part of this group, but yes there have been many siding against her "for working for money".

Vodacixi said:
KLXVER said:

Yeah say nothing, because that worked wonders for the Bayonetta 2 exclusivity outrage.

Im trying to find the post where PG gives the reason, but the Helena video has just buried it. However I did see "various overlapping circumstances" That sounds like a generic PR answer to me. Dont see how that blames her. She wanted more than 4K, they didnt want to pay her that. Well isnt that a overlapping circumstance?

The Bayonetta 2 situation was completely different. No one was perjudiced un a personal level by that decision. They told the truth: they barked at many publisher's and none wanted to bring the project to life. Nintendo came in and paid for the game. End of the story. If fans didn't like the truth, that's on them.

And here you go:

https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/bayonetta-3-recast-hellena-taylor-jennifer-hale-nintendo-switch/

"Various overlapping circumstances made it difficult for Hellena Taylor to reprise her role".

I think it's pretty clear that they reffer to circumstances on Hellena's side. Not in general.

But either if they reffered to Hellena or if both parties had difficulties scheduling the recordings, as I said before those declaration are absolutely harmless to Hellena if they are true. The only way to make her this mad... Is if they aren't xD

I would say it is a lot of semantics in this case. I mostly don't see it as they saying she didn't want or made an effort to be on it. But yes I can see how someone would interpret like that.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

KLXVER said:
Vodacixi said:

The Bayonetta 2 situation was completely different. No one was perjudiced un a personal level by that decision. They told the truth: they barked at many publisher's and none wanted to bring the project to life. Nintendo came in and paid for the game. End of the story. If fans didn't like the truth, that's on them.

And here you go:

https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/bayonetta-3-recast-hellena-taylor-jennifer-hale-nintendo-switch/

"Various overlapping circumstances made it difficult for Hellena Taylor to reprise her role".

I think it's pretty clear that they reffer to circumstances on Hellena's side. Not in general.

Well she didnt want to do the role, so it is on her side. They offered her 4K and she said no. How is that PGs fault when thats the industry standard?

Again I would pay her more, but they didnt want to. Why? I dont know. Maybe she is difficult to work with? Maybe they just wanted someone else? Its hard to speculate on that without hearing from the other side. 

All we can do is take her word for it. She has no evidence for anything. At least show us the email or whatever where Kamiya offered her 4K. Or tell us how much money you wanted. So until I hear from PG or she shows us something substantial, Im not going to just take her word for it. 

From what have been said on the thread she was offered a lot less than 4k, she sent a letter to Kamiya and then received an offer for base payment. Sure on the point of proof being given, you are right that none have come. But I find it hard that if PG though VA was important they wouldn't give a couple more k for the main VA of the game as that would hardly affect profit. As a sage once said, when a problem only needs a reasonable amount of money to solve, it isn't a problem, just fork the money.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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KLXVER said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:

What a thread, you guys really deserve to have silent protagonists , the level of disrespect. You guys deserve voice acting for every game like link in zelda games, that is basicly a random dude moaning 10 diferrent ways.

And you deserve to only have a black screen with voice actors reading lines for whatever they want in pay...

What the actual fuck is even your comment, not all voice actors get disrespected.

There are studios that love them , praise them, have them promote the games unlike others.



 

ClassicGamingWizzz said:
KLXVER said:

And you deserve to only have a black screen with voice actors reading lines for whatever they want in pay...

What the actual fuck is even your comment, not all voice actors get disrespected.

There are studios that love them , praise them, have them promote the games unlike others.

They still get paid like shit. Thats just how it works. Not the fault of the industry. The Unions just suck at negotiating.



KLXVER said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:

What the actual fuck is even your comment, not all voice actors get disrespected.

There are studios that love them , praise them, have them promote the games unlike others.

They still get paid like shit. Thats just how it works. Not the fault of the industry. The Unions just suck at negotiating.

Sure some are , in small games, indies , voice actors need to start somewhere. Its its fault of SOME of the industry, not all the industry. Are you a voice actor? Do you know someone of the unions? No you dont. 



 

ClassicGamingWizzz said:
KLXVER said:

They still get paid like shit. Thats just how it works. Not the fault of the industry. The Unions just suck at negotiating.

Sure some are , in small games, indies , voice actors need to start somewhere. Its its fault of SOME of the industry, not all the industry. Are you a voice actor? Do you know someone of the unions? No you dont. 

Are you? I mean if we both have to be voice actors to have an opinion, then what are we doing here?

There was a VA strike a few years back and it didnt go well. So the best the unions could do is what Helena got offered. Blame them for not standing up for her more.



Chrkeller said:
sc94597 said:

Part of the arrangement between Platinum and Nintendo (and most third-party developers working on another's IP) is that the risks and costs are held by the publisher/IP owner but the publisher/IP owner also gets the bulk of the reward; the developer is mostly insulated from all of these. It is very much like an employer-employee arrangement. It would only hurt Platinum if Nintendo (or another publisher) refused to work with them in the future, but if the game's sales are hurt because of a boycott you can't blame Platinum for that. Nintendo/NoA (as they are the publisher) are the ones who set the development budgets as the entities paying for the game, not Platinum.

And if Bayo 3 flops, you don't think that could damage Nintendo's relationship with Platinum?  You don't think it could impact a potential (perhaps even likely) Bayo 4?  A boycott isn't harmless.  

Just my opinion but Bayo is the best action franchise in gaming.  I would hate to see it damaged because some person didn't get the money she wanted.  

If Bayonetta flops because it is a bad game and gets poor reviews, that could hurt Platinum. If it gets good reviews and still flops, how is that Platinum's fault? They aren't the publisher of the game. They don't fund its budget. They don't advertise it. That is Nintendo's responsibility. 

It might decide whether or not Bayo 4 is made, but that doesn't mean Platinum won't be developing something else for either Nintendo or some other publisher. 

I care more about labor and the well-being of others than my luxury consumptions to be honest.  Your argument was about whether or not other employees would be hurt if an effective boycott happened, I already made an argument why that is highly unlikely. 

Last edited by sc94597 - on 18 October 2022