Lol, it is just economics.  But it sounds like we will have to agree to disagree.  For me a see a bunch of gamers buying product A while complaining about product A....  that is like me complaining about my weight while eating a large pizza + drinking a case of beer.  

I see folks not buying product A and still taking issue with it, especially when they know it's a bad practice.

it's just extremely weird to me how by your logic, there is no bad practices, there is nothing bad in the industry and that it's all the consumers fault.

You can still workout harder while eating Pizza, you know?. Or try a different diet. There's multiple ways to sort out your weight, but in gaming it's a lot harder, because me not buying into a game riddled with MT's does not fix the problem. It's teaching ppl that helps more than me not buying into one game, and that's what I was trying to get at, but at the same time trying to show to you that this industry, like many others, are two-way streets. 

Nintendo uses lootboxes and MTX???  I own 30 switch games....  I can't think of any.  Perhaps I am missing something.  I don't own any amibo's either, can't say I had any issues with the games I own.  I'm not sure what you are referencing.  

So you don't remember how much Nintendo fans bashed patches and DLCs until Nintendo started doing them? Or remasters/remakes?

As soon as Nintendo start doing lootboxes and MTX you can bet there will be a lot of defense going on in VGC.

So to answer the question I asked, Nintendo in fact doesn't currently do lootboxes and MTX.  Thanks, that was my point.  

For the record I happily bash putting content behind Amibos.  I happily bash having to pay for online, same as I do for Sony and MS.  If Nintendo moves to lootboxes and MTX, I will bash them and STOP buying their products.

*I also do NOT support their online program with my money nor do I buy Amibos.  

So I am consistent, thus have zero idea what your point is.  

And circling back to the larger point.  Nintendo doesn't do lootboxes.  And Nintendo isn't alone.  There are PLENTY of options for non lootbox games.  Thousands in fact.  Gamers do NOT have to support lootboxes, they are electing to support lootboxes.

My point was that Nintendo isn't a haven. They are most likely late to the party as they were for updates, DLC, MP then paid MP, etc. And they do have games on smartphone that have lootboxes and MTX in case you don't know.

But sure I agree gamers elect to support the bad practices be it by not caring, fomo or whatever. Myself I don't buy dlc and other things, my plus is for the free games and discounts since I also don't play online.

Fair enough and I believe we are aligned.  I wasn't trying to paint Nintendo as perfect, but rather was saying there are plenty of MTX and lootbox free games.  I did mention Indie games as well.  I have zero issue (across Nintendo, Sony and MS) finding great games that lack MTX and lootboxes.  I don't play mobile games, but I thought it was 'free' but than charged money to unlock the full game.  Even those I don't think have MTX and lootboxes.  But I don't care, because I don't play them anyway.

And applaud your stance for not supporting poor practices.  If more gamers did as such, these practices would go away.

Like I said we will have to agree to disagree.  I stand by my postion under the basis that consumers grossly underestimate their power and influence on the marketplace.  Gamers are not helpless victims.  

Yes but you invite yourself to direct confrontations from people like me in the future, simply because you have chosen to lump the uneducated with the educated and spitting on them in unison, while ignoring the root cause, which no offence, makes you look like the uneducated one. 

People can be stupid, that should go without saying, and educating them should also go without saying and is something we should all be doing, to help better others against bad practices. 

Devs and ceo's are not hapless victims either. 

Yep, I also wasn't saying you were hypocrite when I said people would defend Nintendo if they did those poor decisions, it was just a take that all fanbases here and anywhere tend to defend when one company do stuff and criticize when the other do, if it sounded like criticizing you I'm sorry.

And also agree with you that there are still plenty of game without the predatory practices on them for any genre I can remember/care so no one is obligated to buy the games that do have then, and even if they purchase those games they don't need to pay for the extra predatory practices.

Yes the smartphone games I remember from Nintendo that have MTX and lootboxes/gatcha are f2p (and were good games without p2w), you couldn't pay to have full game it was just the design of gatcha like games. But since you can play perfectly fine without paying I also have no issue there and f2p needs to finance themselves someway anyway.

And also I agree it is unnaceptable for almost any situation to have a full priced game having MTX and lootboxes even more if it interferes in the playing of the game.