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Cobretti2 said:
LurkerJ said:

I swear at one point I thought these commentators and hosts were trolling... 

Surprised one of the solutions wasn't John Rambo.

Best one is blaming lockdowns. I mean fuck there was no mass shootings before than?  Here where I am in Aus, we were basically in lockdown for 2 years and don't see a rise of mass shootings.

You have to realize that its not about truth its about throwing as much crap against the wall and someone will choose the solution that best fits their agenda.  That is how the blame game works, blame everything besides the situation you support.



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Well the conspiracy theories are starting.

Here is a Facebook post suggesting they knew it was gonna happen as they had training for it. Wonder what they got trained in considering the response and backlash on how they took time.

https://www.facebook.com/SWTJCPoliceAcademy/posts/1636090160075734



 

 

https://www.ladbible.com/news/latest-american-school-gets-active-shooter-dog-stop-gun-attacks-20220530

Well I guess that is better than praying for mass shootings not to happen at schools.



 

 

A shame school not being safe is being accepted.



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Cobretti2 said:

Well the conspiracy theories are starting.

Here is a Facebook post suggesting they knew it was gonna happen as they had training for it. Wonder what they got trained in considering the response and backlash on how they took time.

https://www.facebook.com/SWTJCPoliceAcademy/posts/1636090160075734

Well it has actually been a conspiracy theory for years that these mass killings are planned by democrats to take away guns so people can't protect themselves against NWO or whatever..

But then again, police around the world train this stuff regularly as mass shootings/killings aren't just US thing. This is likely a coincidence.

What I don't understand is how they fucked up so badly. No waiting for backup, go in to distract and try to eliminate the active shooter is the protocol, why didn't they do it? 

edit. Looked into it and apparently first officers to arrive did try to stop the shooter so they acted as they should. They also were inside the school preventing further casualties outside the barricaded room.

After the shooter barricaded himself behind a door whoever was in charge made a terrible decision to wait and make a tactical breach. Hard to defend such decision, even if they could be absolutely certain everyone inside the room has been shot there could be a child bleeding-out etc. 

Don't think this calls for conspiracy. 

Last edited by KiigelHeart - on 31 May 2022

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KiigelHeart said:
Cobretti2 said:

Well the conspiracy theories are starting.

Here is a Facebook post suggesting they knew it was gonna happen as they had training for it. Wonder what they got trained in considering the response and backlash on how they took time.

https://www.facebook.com/SWTJCPoliceAcademy/posts/1636090160075734

Well it has actually been a conspiracy theory for years that these mass killings are planned by democrats to take away guns so people can't protect themselves against NWO or whatever..

But then again, police around the world train this stuff regularly as mass shootings/killings aren't just US thing. This is likely a coincidence.

What I don't understand is how they fucked up so badly. No waiting for backup, go in to distract and try to eliminate the active shooter is the protocol, why didn't they do it? 

edit. Looked into it and apparently first officers to arrive did try to stop the shooter so they acted as they should. They also were inside the school preventing further casualties outside the barricaded room.

After the shooter barricaded himself behind a door whoever was in charge made a terrible decision to wait and make a tactical breach. Hard to defend such decision, even if they could be absolutely certain everyone inside the room has been shot there could be a child bleeding-out etc. 

Don't think this calls for conspiracy. 

Shooting up a school is apparently an effective way to persuade people for political change, is not a conspiracy. Atleast according to some people in this thread it seems.



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Two Professors Found What Creates a Mass Shooter. Will Politicians Pay Attention? - POLITICO

Solid article about how, instead of dumping law enforcement into schools, dumping money into mental health services may be a much better tool for the job of preventing mass shootings. Further, it explains how it doesn't really make sense to assume more guns will deter shooters as this is often seen as an act of suicide.

(My own opinion) Additionally, I was thinking a bit about the stats we were talking about a few days ago in regards to death rate increasing for mass shootings when there is an armed guard present. One possible explanation for this could be that armed guards don't deter attacks, but they do ensure that an individual is better prepared due to a greater expectation of resistance. This increased preparedness could result in a higher death rate if they are able to overcome that initial resistance.



sundin13 said:

Two Professors Found What Creates a Mass Shooter. Will Politicians Pay Attention? - POLITICO

Solid article about how, instead of dumping law enforcement into schools, dumping money into mental health services may be a much better tool for the job of preventing mass shootings. Further, it explains how it doesn't really make sense to assume more guns will deter shooters as this is often seen as an act of suicide.

(My own opinion) Additionally, I was thinking a bit about the stats we were talking about a few days ago in regards to death rate increasing for mass shootings when there is an armed guard present. One possible explanation for this could be that armed guards don't deter attacks, but they do ensure that an individual is better prepared due to a greater expectation of resistance. This increased preparedness could result in a higher death rate if they are able to overcome that initial resistance.

Politicians will never listen to reason. Basically almost all politicians are either corrupt, retarded or insane freaks. There are rare exceptions, but you'll only rarely find one who isn't like any of those three.



sundin13 said:

Two Professors Found What Creates a Mass Shooter. Will Politicians Pay Attention? - POLITICO

Solid article about how, instead of dumping law enforcement into schools, dumping money into mental health services may be a much better tool for the job of preventing mass shootings. Further, it explains how it doesn't really make sense to assume more guns will deter shooters as this is often seen as an act of suicide.

(My own opinion) Additionally, I was thinking a bit about the stats we were talking about a few days ago in regards to death rate increasing for mass shootings when there is an armed guard present. One possible explanation for this could be that armed guards don't deter attacks, but they do ensure that an individual is better prepared due to a greater expectation of resistance. This increased preparedness could result in a higher death rate if they are able to overcome that initial resistance.

Of course it deters wannabe massshooters, suicidal or not.

The more people armed around you the more likely your mass shooting attempt will fail.

Source: Basic common sense



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Kakadu18 said:
sundin13 said:

Two Professors Found What Creates a Mass Shooter. Will Politicians Pay Attention? - POLITICO

Solid article about how, instead of dumping law enforcement into schools, dumping money into mental health services may be a much better tool for the job of preventing mass shootings. Further, it explains how it doesn't really make sense to assume more guns will deter shooters as this is often seen as an act of suicide.

(My own opinion) Additionally, I was thinking a bit about the stats we were talking about a few days ago in regards to death rate increasing for mass shootings when there is an armed guard present. One possible explanation for this could be that armed guards don't deter attacks, but they do ensure that an individual is better prepared due to a greater expectation of resistance. This increased preparedness could result in a higher death rate if they are able to overcome that initial resistance.

Politicians will never listen to reason. Basically almost all politicians are either corrupt, retarded or insane freaks. There are rare exceptions, but you'll only rarely find one who isn't like any of those three.

Yeah, I'm not really sure why this is an angle that politicians generally don't seem to want to touch. Like, Republicans always say "It's mental health, not guns" after a mass shooting, but I can't remember a single proposal that actually had any force to it coming from the Republicans. On the other hand, Democrats seem to want to focus on guns, which is valid to an extent and I think it is dangerous to go down certain roads in regards to mental health (we should be attempting to provide support, not further demonizing and stigmatizing mental illness) but it still seems like this would be worth exploring.

Side Note: Could you perhaps try to avoid using the word "retarded"? While politicians are certainly deserving of all manners of insults, I think it can be done without using slurs.

cyberninja45 said:
sundin13 said:

Two Professors Found What Creates a Mass Shooter. Will Politicians Pay Attention? - POLITICO

Solid article about how, instead of dumping law enforcement into schools, dumping money into mental health services may be a much better tool for the job of preventing mass shootings. Further, it explains how it doesn't really make sense to assume more guns will deter shooters as this is often seen as an act of suicide.

(My own opinion) Additionally, I was thinking a bit about the stats we were talking about a few days ago in regards to death rate increasing for mass shootings when there is an armed guard present. One possible explanation for this could be that armed guards don't deter attacks, but they do ensure that an individual is better prepared due to a greater expectation of resistance. This increased preparedness could result in a higher death rate if they are able to overcome that initial resistance.

Of course it deters wannabe massshooters, suicidal or not.

The more people armed around you the more likely your mass shooting attempt will fail.

Source: Basic common sense

Citation needed.