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Soundwave said:

People who espouse for "ethnic cleansing" deserve zero platform anywhere. Fuck them

Is white washing considered ethnic cleansing? :D

Last edited by Jumpin - on 06 May 2022

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Jumpin said:

Question: is this the biggest midlife crisis purchase in world history?

I'd argue it's one of the biggest FU money moves in history, tied up with the biggest shadow like ban pre maneuver to keep one's self (and others) from being banned (and getting some unbanned).

Slowly but surely buy up shares until you're ready, then make a few larger purchases that make you the largest private shareholder. Then make your moves in a manner which either forces Twitter to sell, or leads to the platform suffering far greater than it already was if they don't. Twitter itself is partially to thank.

It looks like Elon has had a lot built up that he's wanted to say on Twitter, based on more recent tweets, aware that he's not the only one, yet hasn't been able to express them, knowing that if Twitter is willing and able to ban the President of the US, then there's no stopping them from banning Musk and anything associated with him, like his companies.

If you're someone like Musk, who likely has an idea, or knows other elites think having too much media influence is a major problem, even if some of those elites already have too much media influence (and ownership), and you've got the money, then buying something like Twitter seems kind of obvious, especially from a strategic business perspective.

Now not only can Elon say as he pleases, but he can do so knowing he and his associations will never be punished on one of the most influential platforms ever to exist. As per usual, his genius being put on display along with some of his opponents and dissenters misplaced fearful acknowledgement.

In a world of cancel culture, if you've got the money to buy influence, you buy it, and if you can outright own it, it's your eventual downfall if you don't.



ConservagameR said:

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It looks like Elon has had a lot built up that he's wanted to say on Twitter, based on more recent tweets, aware that he's not the only one, yet hasn't been able to express them, knowing that if Twitter is willing and able to ban the President of the US, then there's no stopping them from banning Musk and anything associated with him, like his companies.

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If Musk fits in the same category as Trump, then yeah, there certainly had to be a lot that he couldn't say on Twitter.



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ConservagameR said:

Now not only can Elon say as he pleases, but he can do so knowing he and his associations will never be punished on one of the most influential platforms ever to exist. As per usual, his genius being put on display along with some of his opponents and dissenters misplaced fearful acknowledgement.

It's not that easy though. Twitter can't host itself; someone else has to do it. IIRC hosting providers have shown their willingness to stop hosting services they find problematic, and finding a new hosting provider for a service the size of Twitter might not be simple. This should provide Musk some freedom if he so desires, but by no means does this guarantee absolute freedom (even within legal limits, whatever that means for an internationally provided service).



Zkuq said:
ConservagameR said:

Now not only can Elon say as he pleases, but he can do so knowing he and his associations will never be punished on one of the most influential platforms ever to exist. As per usual, his genius being put on display along with some of his opponents and dissenters misplaced fearful acknowledgement.

It's not that easy though. Twitter can't host itself; someone else has to do it. IIRC hosting providers have shown their willingness to stop hosting services they find problematic, and finding a new hosting provider for a service the size of Twitter might not be simple. This should provide Musk some freedom if he so desires, but by no means does this guarantee absolute freedom (even within legal limits, whatever that means for an internationally provided service).

As far as I know, Twitter is on AWS, and Bezos is Musk's direct competitor outside of twitter. I wouldn't be surprised if Musk leveraged his own platforms to bypass the censorship or obstruction. Nowadays people are aware of the monopoly on cloud services and are gearing up against it.



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padib said:
Zkuq said:

It's not that easy though. Twitter can't host itself; someone else has to do it. IIRC hosting providers have shown their willingness to stop hosting services they find problematic, and finding a new hosting provider for a service the size of Twitter might not be simple. This should provide Musk some freedom if he so desires, but by no means does this guarantee absolute freedom (even within legal limits, whatever that means for an internationally provided service).

As far as I know, Twitter is on AWS, and Bezos is Musk's direct competitor outside of twitter. I wouldn't be surprised if Musk leveraged his own platforms to bypass the censorship or obstruction. Nowadays people are aware of the monopoly on cloud services and are gearing up against it.

Bezos owns WAPO, Blue Origin, and the Kuiper Project. He's competing with Musk with Twitter, SpaceX, and Starlink. WAPO had an article recently about it being a problem for wealthy private owners to have too much influence through media ownership. This is the same WAPO that was constantly writing legit negative stories about Bezos for years before Bezos realized he couldn't sue them to make them stop, so he just bought them.

I'd love to see Apple and Google ban Twitter from their ecosystems, then have AWS kick them off their servers, just like they all did to Parler.

Go ahead and have big tech ban Twitter. If things aren't obvious yet, they will become blatantly obvious to everyone after that.

It's also highly unlikely that Elon doesn't have a backup plan. He had multiple for just buying Twitter and it's not like he couldn't predict the potential problems that would come afterwards whether he did acquire it, focused on another platform instead, or started his own.

If Parler still exists, which it does, then Twitter certainly could. Mind you, if the Silicon Valley types start playing games like, if we can't have it, neither can you, then there's going to start to be more and more getting bought up and shut down sooner than later.

This is a win win situation for Musk and he knows it. The guy gave up all his coolest stuff and lives like he's middle class for the most part. If he losses 50 billion he's not gunna care much because it'll make him 100 billion+ in sympathy and respect coin soon afterwards.

If Elon get's by unscathed, he wins. If big tech strikes Twitter down, he becomes a martyr.

Last edited by ConservagameR - on 07 May 2022

Let's not forget musk dumb attempt to bring Tesla private at 420 a share buyout that actually never existed at time which put him in eyesights of SEC.



Let's look at dogecoin which is junk crypto that Elon heavily promoted till it reached peak at around 70 cents.  How many losers did he get to commit to a joke currency?



ConservagameR said:
Jumpin said:

Question: is this the biggest midlife crisis purchase in world history?

I'd argue it's one of the biggest FU money moves in history, tied up with the biggest shadow like ban pre maneuver to keep one's self (and others) from being banned (and getting some unbanned).

Slowly but surely buy up shares until you're ready, then make a few larger purchases that make you the largest private shareholder. Then make your moves in a manner which either forces Twitter to sell, or leads to the platform suffering far greater than it already was if they don't. Twitter itself is partially to thank.

It looks like Elon has had a lot built up that he's wanted to say on Twitter, based on more recent tweets, aware that he's not the only one, yet hasn't been able to express them, knowing that if Twitter is willing and able to ban the President of the US, then there's no stopping them from banning Musk and anything associated with him, like his companies.

If you're someone like Musk, who likely has an idea, or knows other elites think having too much media influence is a major problem, even if some of those elites already have too much media influence (and ownership), and you've got the money, then buying something like Twitter seems kind of obvious, especially from a strategic business perspective.

Now not only can Elon say as he pleases, but he can do so knowing he and his associations will never be punished on one of the most influential platforms ever to exist. As per usual, his genius being put on display along with some of his opponents and dissenters misplaced fearful acknowledgement.

In a world of cancel culture, if you've got the money to buy influence, you buy it, and if you can outright own it, it's your eventual downfall if you don't.

Imagine being so fucked in the head that the logical conclusion of “I wanna post dumb shit on the Internet” was buying a 50 billion dollar microblogging platform? But let’s be real, the Twitter purchase is Elon’s Mazda Miata.



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padib said:
Zkuq said:

It's not that easy though. Twitter can't host itself; someone else has to do it. IIRC hosting providers have shown their willingness to stop hosting services they find problematic, and finding a new hosting provider for a service the size of Twitter might not be simple. This should provide Musk some freedom if he so desires, but by no means does this guarantee absolute freedom (even within legal limits, whatever that means for an internationally provided service).

As far as I know, Twitter is on AWS, and Bezos is Musk's direct competitor outside of twitter. I wouldn't be surprised if Musk leveraged his own platforms to bypass the censorship or obstruction. Nowadays people are aware of the monopoly on cloud services and are gearing up against it.

AFAIK Musk doesn't (currently) own anything that could counter AWS stopping hosting Twitter. Starlink comes closest, and it's really a different thing. Regardless of the trend, I'm not sure it's easy to counter stopping hosting Twitter just yet.