I don't agree with those tactics and I'm not aware of any being used in related case. If they were used than it's a matter of case by case as to wheter or not they are isolated incident or used in a widespread manner and individual should be dealt with case by case. If you want to blame Antifa, you would have to proove that the ultimate decision was taken because of those incidents and not because of the overwhelming opposition alone, and also that the individual were actualy Antifa member. For all that I know Antifa, and even though I don't deny their existence, is more of a name drop scaregoat used by the right to discredit any opposition more than anything else.

If you want to continue this discussion. Please do so in the us politics thread as I believe it is more appropriate for this and I read it often so I will reply there.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61001565

Seems Russia decided this part of the sporting ban was a lost cause.

I know that you didn't but there's really nothing ironic about it when these methods are far from being exclusive to fascism.

It’s unlikely to be a single Nato country. It will either be all of Nato (well besides Hungary it would seem) or none of Nato.

Hungary is such a bad situation. The people are very conservative there, but their only choice was between a Putin ally conservative or a bloc of liberals who would enact policies the majority of Hungarians would have opposed. Do you vote for the side you disagree with 90% of the time, or vote for the side you agree with on most issues but is supporting a Hitler-like figure?

This is the problem with elections in general. People may have a candidate they agree with on almost everything, but there could be that one hot button issue they agree with the other side on, causing the other side to win. Then those elected do what their party wants for their term, taking little thought into some other minded people that put them in power in the first place.

Seeing this video and then reading the reason mentioned above made my stomach churn. Truly disgusting, Putin is comparing Ukraine with Nazi Germany while he himself is acting like a fusion of Adolf Hitler and Heinrich Himmler on steroids.

I'm sad. Sad about what happens to Ukrainians, but also about the Russian people who don't believe Putin's lies and are basically trapped in their own country.

I really don't get why Hungary are in the EU or Nato at this point. Joining the EU means signing up to its membership charter on things like human rights, judicial independence etc. Hungary breaks these rules, then complains when the EU sanctions it. I've seen brexiteers online cheering Hungary against the 'dictatorial; EU, appearing to miss the point as well.

And I get Ukraine isn't in Nato, but Hungary sitting on the sidelines whilst the rest of Nato is supporting Ukraine, and particularly saying they'll pay Putin in roubles for Russian gas seems like they've chosen to side with Putin.

I can't speak on the EU part, but as for NATO, while it originally started as a defense treaty mostly because of USSR/Russia, it is now days more about protecting ourselves from terrorists or China. It wasn't until Putin built troops up on the border that Russia was on our minds again. Hungary, I assume, wants to stay in NATO in case some terrorist (state backed or otherwise) attacks it, then they will have allies to fight back just like America did after 9/11.

The problem is that there's no legal way to expel a member state. They may leave if they wish so, like the UK did, but they can't be expelled.

However, what can be done is withholding payments to Hungary and stripping them of their voting rights, making them members of the Schengen area and not much more anymore. This could seriously hamper the Hungarian economy, but could also backfire as this could be considered overreach by the European Commission. Still, at this point, I'd consider this the right thing to do. Hungarian media and judiciary are de facto in the hands of Fidesz, which gives them a giant advantage in any and all elections, which is partly why they can get an absolute majority in elections, as the opposition is severely suppressed.

Gosar and Biggs once again supporting any shitty cause they can find just because.