That Pro-war "we must finish what we started, and liberate our land from facsism" gathering.... is chilling.

They apparently, give zero f***s to the innocent Ukrainians they kill.
They consider all of ukraine, "their land", and consider them facsists? Why?

Putins 4 demands are crazy too.
"just throw away your weapons, we promis we won't slaughter you!"
"you just need to bow down, and kiss the ring, accept being a puppet state of mother russia!"

Theres no possibility of a cease fire, or peacefull end to this, if those are russia's requirements.

There are some like the Azov battalion in Ukraine which are fascists and I would say even terrorists. Ukraine also didn't really do much against them and even have them as part of their national guard. I think that's pretty much a thing which is a fair to ask, to remove them from Ukraine's national guard and even forbid them because these guys are murderers and rapists. That's not even a lie from Putin. They can even openly use Nazi-Symbols in their damn Logo and put Swastikas over their buildings and stuff... 

But everything else is just bullshit to ask for and even if there is the Azov battalion it wasn't a reason enough to invade the whole country and bomb everything in reach...in the end Putin does what he's complaining about. Killing innocent people...

1) Ukraine is already giving up on joining NATO, it's too complex. I won't mind this since it does not prevent Ukraine doing it's own military agreement with anyone, even a NATO member. just not through NATO itself. 

2) This is literally the most ludicrous demand, if Russia insist on this, I would just add ludicrous condition of my own like denuclearization of Russia.

3) This one I would agree and when Russia leaves I would go like "We're done de-nazification and found none" or better yet "We're done de-nazification and found many in captured Russian troops".

4) Zelensky actual leaned toward this, for me I would agree upon condition that Donbas be fully demilitarized and restituted to Ukraine for a period of 16 to 20 years (giving them the opportunity to participate in multiple elections) after witch a referendum would be organized and watched by international observers.

I doubt Russia would tolerate even a separate alliance between Ukraine and the Western powers. What he really wants is for Ukraine to be under his thumb, as a puppet nation similar to Lukashenko's Belarus, or perhaps similar to the Eastern Bloc countries in the Soviet era.  Disarmament would leave Ukraine powerless to resist Russia. 

As for denazification, that's never been anything but an excuse for Putin. He has plenty of Nazis among his own supporters, notably Ramzan Kadyrov. 

I agree, but the things here is that Ukraine must see those requirements as a way for Putin to save face. Putin knows control over Ukraine is unachievable no matter how much troops he sends. If he can get Ukraine to agree to requirement 1 and 3, even if those are phrased such that Ukraine isn't actually bound to anything, He could still save face and claim an empty victory.
The demilitarization requirement might be tweak to include only certain area of east Ukraine and or be tied to requirement from Russia which we knows Russia as no intention on following giving Ukraine opportunity to not follow through on this even if agreed to. The point is it would still give Putin opportunity to save face. Kind of the same situation as when Trump claimed to have solved the problem with North Korea even though he only gave North Korea what they wanted (reduced sanction) and achieved nothing in return, it still gave him the opportunity of claiming "victory".

That's VERY disturbing.

This is taking gaslighting to a new level.

Great bundle, I saw it here as well
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2022-03-18-humbles-stand-with-ukraine-bundle-includes-back-4-blood-metro-exodus-spyro-more

I paid extra as its a steal, lot of quality games in there, and good charities 100% of the money goes to.
Most have steam keys so you can add it to your steam library or to someone else's.

why don't they come to agreement with putin. How is the displacement of millions of ukranians, thousands of civillan deaths and destruction of cities not worse ?

The only thing that seems to make sense now is the US/uk and nato want a heavily sanctioned wakened russia above anything, a halt in their military funding and advancement while the west and nato get stronger.all these sanctions were planned over a year ago . Biden talked about catastrophic loss of live and destruction, before the invasion. Yet no one serious about preventing.

Honestly what could be worse? And zelnsky is an odd person. He doesn't know wjat he wants and goes back and forth. He visits people of sufferent without showing concern, accepts ovations, I don't know if he's acting or genuinely concerned, considering he was an actor.

What exactly is he hoping for, ukraine victory and at whats cost?

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Why don't we all bow down to Putin while we're at it? Because that's what it takes for the war to stop right now. Or is it just the countries that don't have NATO backing them?