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EpicRandy on 18 March 2022
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SanAndreasX said:
EpicRandy said:

1) Ukraine is already giving up on joining NATO, it's too complex. I won't mind this since it does not prevent Ukraine doing it's own military agreement with anyone, even a NATO member. just not through NATO itself. 

2) This is literally the most ludicrous demand, if Russia insist on this, I would just add ludicrous condition of my own like denuclearization of Russia.

3) This one I would agree and when Russia leaves I would go like "We're done de-nazification and found none" or better yet "We're done de-nazification and found many in captured Russian troops".

4) Zelensky actual leaned toward this, for me I would agree upon condition that Donbas be fully demilitarized and restituted to Ukraine for a period of 16 to 20 years (giving them the opportunity to participate in multiple elections) after witch a referendum would be organized and watched by international observers.

I doubt Russia would tolerate even a separate alliance between Ukraine and the Western powers. What he really wants is for Ukraine to be under his thumb, as a puppet nation similar to Lukashenko's Belarus, or perhaps similar to the Eastern Bloc countries in the Soviet era.  Disarmament would leave Ukraine powerless to resist Russia. 

As for denazification, that's never been anything but an excuse for Putin. He has plenty of Nazis among his own supporters, notably Ramzan Kadyrov. 

I agree, but the things here is that Ukraine must see those requirements as a way for Putin to save face. Putin knows control over Ukraine is unachievable no matter how much troops he sends. If he can get Ukraine to agree to requirement 1 and 3, even if those are phrased such that Ukraine isn't actually bound to anything, He could still save face and claim an empty victory.
The demilitarization requirement might be tweak to include only certain area of east Ukraine and or be tied to requirement from Russia which we knows Russia as no intention on following giving Ukraine opportunity to not follow through on this even if agreed to. The point is it would still give Putin opportunity to save face. Kind of the same situation as when Trump claimed to have solved the problem with North Korea even though he only gave North Korea what they wanted (reduced sanction) and achieved nothing in return, it still gave him the opportunity of claiming "victory".