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Can moderators remind me please why they allow some people to broadcast war propaganda on a video game website ?



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Ryuu96 said:
sundin13 said:

While it is somewhat crass to speak about the conflict in such terms, would it be accurate to say that America significantly benefitted from this war even if Russia does eventually gain ground in Ukraine? It seems the military and economic losses of one of our prime adversaries combined with the strengthening of NATO and increased military contributions of many European allies are important gains, furthering Americas foreign goals while the American cost of this war is primarily monetary. I'd argue that we have gotten more from the billions we have spent on Ukraine than we often get from the Trillions we spend on our own military budget.

I think that is fair to say. America 'wins' no matter what happens now, even if Ukraine loses, other countries benefit to a lesser extent but NATO is stronger than ever and has two new powerful members, EU is stronger than ever and has Ukraine/Moldova as future applicants along with Georgia if they change some things, Russia is weaker than ever and it will take them years to recover financially and militarily. Even if Russia successfully takes all of Donbas and declares a "win" to the war, Ukraine isn't just going to be like "Okay, fine you win" both sides will be bombing each other for years to come, only way Russia avoids that is by taking all of Ukraine which is very unlikely. Russia has been turned into a pariah and over 50 countries are supporting Ukraine, even some of Russia's traditional 'allies' are turning their backs on them a little. People finally seeing that maybe it isn't a good idea to trust a murdering dictator, unless of course, you're one yourself. Overall the West has gained influence on a global scale and Russia has either remained stagnant (the most optimistic prediction of the future) or lost influence.

Although Ukraine has a lot of natural resources that Russia takes control of if they take Ukraine, which is bad, that's if they don't destroy them all taking over Ukraine. But it sucks to think about it in these terms because I don't want countries eventually giving up on Ukraine, at least America seems all invested in taking down Russia for now and Tbh after the last few years of Trump, America's relationship with Europe was tarnished but this war has basically turned that around completely and suddenly America is everywhere again. My only issue is people saying America wanted the war, just because they benefit of Russia's stupidity doesn't mean they wanted the war. Things would be a lot different if Ukraine got steamrolled like most countries 'experts' predicted would happen but they were way off the mark with that prediction.

Yeah, I don't think that the idea that America "wins" no matter what is a reason to cease or reduce our contributions. Again, it feels uncomfortable to say given the real human toll of this war, but there is a large benefit to both Russian defeat and Russia being stuck in a protracted war with Ukraine. This is the most productive avenue for military spending, so I would certainly support making this a long term commitment even if it meant reducing domestic military spending (which isn't something I support as much as many others on the American left).

I think instead that the most significant danger is the unity that has been built falling apart when countries start pulling back their contributions and pushing harder for an end to the war by any means. This unity is a valuable asset and I personally am willing to pay to see it maintained through continued contributions. 

Basically what I'm trying to say is that while supporting Ukraine is the good and right thing to do morally, there is also a benefit to continued support, so even if you are looking at this in a strictly "America First" manner, support for Ukraine should be a high military priority. 



Amnesia said:

Can moderators remind me please why they allow some people to broadcast war propaganda on a video game website ?

War propaganda supporting the attacked country with like 10m refugees and against the invader condemned by the United Nations? I think that sounds fair even though some "success posts" sound better as they really are for Ukraine because they never really mention Ukraine's big losses. But they are against Russia's war which will be forever in the history books (in a bad way obviously) so it doesn't really matter. 



Amnesia said:

Can moderators remind me please why they allow some people to broadcast war propaganda on a video game website ?

Well for starters, the thread is in the Off-Topic forum.



Amnesia said:

Can moderators remind me please why they allow some people to broadcast war propaganda on a video game website ?

What exactly is wrong with this post? You haven't really state the exact issue.

To most people you would think they care how the war is going? all the tweets may not be 100% accurate but they do paint a general picture of what is happening.

I am sure we would all want to know if Ukraine somehow were to fall, as it would have a greater impact on Europe. 



 

 

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“ Putin allies push to call him ‘ruler’ rather than president

A party loyal to Vladimir Putin has suggested that he should be referred to as “ruler” instead of president, amid a reported push to break with words viewed as having been assimilated from the west.
The press service of the Liberal Democratic Party in the Duma told the Tass news agency: “Although constitutional amendments are not on the current agenda, we still insist that it is important to call the country’s main post in Russia.
“We suggest two options: either a ruler or a head of state.”
Asked about the matter by the Tass news agency, Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said: “It is a new idea. There is no position on this matter.”

This reminds of an Austrian politician in Germany who changed his title to ‘leader’.



Cobretti2 said:
Amnesia said:

Can moderators remind me please why they allow some people to broadcast war propaganda on a video game website ?

What exactly is wrong with this post? You haven't really state the exact issue.

To most people you would think they care how the war is going? all the tweets may not be 100% accurate but they do paint a general picture of what is happening.

I am sure we would all want to know if Ukraine somehow were to fall, as it would have a greater impact on Europe. 

LOL general picture of what happening ? man this is ALL NATO war propaganda, if I would dare to post something telling narration from the opposite side of this trend I would be banned from here in a few minutes. This is purely "one-side" war propaganda, it is not information giving a general picture of the war (which is happening just in my neighbor country btw, and I am fine, I am not scared at all since I am better informed of what is happening.)



Amnesia said:
Cobretti2 said:

What exactly is wrong with this post? You haven't really state the exact issue.

To most people you would think they care how the war is going? all the tweets may not be 100% accurate but they do paint a general picture of what is happening.

I am sure we would all want to know if Ukraine somehow were to fall, as it would have a greater impact on Europe. 

LOL general picture of what happening ? man this is ALL NATO war propaganda, if I would dare to post something telling narration from the opposite side of this trend I would be banned from here in a few minutes. This is purely "one-side" war propaganda, it is not information giving a general picture of the war (which is happening just in my neighbor country btw, and I am fine, I am not scared at all since I am better informed of what is happening.)

Most of the things posted in this thread are by Ryuu and they are from Ukrainian sources. Ukraine is not in Nato. So how would it be Nato propaganda?

Most here do seem to support Ukraine in opposing the Russian invasion, I don’t see what is wrong with that. 

Your profile says you’re Hungarian. What makes your think the info that you’re getting is truly an ‘accurate picture’, as you describe it, and not simply Russian propaganda? Hungary does seem to be the Nato member most ambivalent to Ukraine with Hungarian PM Orban being quite friendly with Putin, so wouldn’t be too surprising.

Edit: I’d like to add that people do mostly post positives for Ukraine and its important to remember its not all so straight-forward for them. Russia has made gains in the last few months. I’d say get updates from various sources. There’s a few newspapers I also follow for updates, if you’re only following 1 source then you’re at risk of getting just propaganda. If you think some had posted something on here that is misleading, challenge it.

Last edited by SecondWar - on 12 July 2022

Amnesia said:
Cobretti2 said:

What exactly is wrong with this post? You haven't really state the exact issue.

To most people you would think they care how the war is going? all the tweets may not be 100% accurate but they do paint a general picture of what is happening.

I am sure we would all want to know if Ukraine somehow were to fall, as it would have a greater impact on Europe. 

LOL general picture of what happening ? man this is ALL NATO war propaganda, if I would dare to post something telling narration from the opposite side of this trend I would be banned from here in a few minutes. This is purely "one-side" war propaganda, it is not information giving a general picture of the war (which is happening just in my neighbor country btw, and I am fine, I am not scared at all since I am better informed of what is happening.)

If by opposite side of this trend you mean narration from Russia, then you shouldn't be surprised if nobody is interested in hearing it. There's simply no point in believing anything they or their 'influencers' say. If you read that stuff and think "oh this might indeed be true" and spread that information they're using you for their hybrid operations and you don't even realise it.

Most information here does indeed give the general picture and different analysis or what's happening. 



Amnesia said:

... since I am better informed of what is happening.

Of course you are.....

Since you are, please tell us all about the regular Russian statements about how many Ukranian warplanes and choppers were destroyed by the great Russian army. According to regular Russian bulletin, they destroyed over 240 warplanes and over 130 choppers so far.

This is interesting because at the start of the war, Ukrania only had about 130 warplanes and 90 choppers.

It also doesn't help your side that Hungary is run by a wannabe dictator Viktor Urban who controls (or is at least trying to control) the press at his will.