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Gazz said:
For the love of Gazz, al this excitement about the fact that I said that MS didn't care about it's customers to the guy in the other topic and guess what? I was bloody right!!!!

Gazz hits the spot, read all about here http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=24496&start=50. The fanboys who went out of their way to censor me should be ashamed of themselves, and most off all ashamed of the terrible company they tried to defend.

 Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony do not care about customer satisfaction they all only care about maximising profits. Gazz welcome to the world of business. Companies only care about their share holder's, maximising profits, customers are only a means to making profits for the companies. Business is Business.



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Rock_on_2008 said:
Gazz said:
For the love of Gazz, al this excitement about the fact that I said that MS didn't care about it's customers to the guy in the other topic and guess what? I was bloody right!!!!

Gazz hits the spot, read all about here http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=24496&start=50. The fanboys who went out of their way to censor me should be ashamed of themselves, and most off all ashamed of the terrible company they tried to defend.

Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony do not care about customer satisfaction they all only care about maximising profits. Gazz welcome to the world of business. Companies only care about their share holder's, maximising profits, customers are only a means to making profits for the companies. Business is Business.


And there I was naivly thinking large groups of consumers avoiding products actually mattered. Thanks for setting me straight, I now believe that a product with a bad reputation in a market with more competition is a good thing and sales figures of the 360 compared to others are perfect. The huge losses on the 360 and previous xbox are also a huge indication of the succes. What worked for MS in a market with no competition (offering a poor os and advertising it heavily) should also work in a market with well suited opponents that have a way bigger market share then them. The fact that the Wii has already passed them in sales and the PS3 gardually starts to outsell them proves your point.  Business is business as you say, poor business that is. In all fairness, if MS didn make such a ridiculous amount of profit on Windows in a market with no real competition they would have never let the Xbox project continue.

 

All the satuisfied customers don't make a difference in an age that people gather more and more info on products trough the internet then ever before. Thank you for setting me straight with info pulled out of a 1980's business school book. 



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Gazz said:
rocketpig said:
BCNR34 said:
Legend11 said:


 


 


Then again, the 360 is without a doubt the console with the most hardware issues. What Legend and Rocketpig (2 people who are not ashamed to say they prefer the 360) may consider trolling, may be considered discussing the apparent issues that keep being unsolved by MS to this very day. The reason why the 360 gets dissed this much is because the problems tha are being discussed are real. This isn't a "I have a link from 2006 where a bunch of 360's overheated" discussion, but one that is valid on this very day.

In all fairness, the fact that Legend jumped on the issue lead to the creation of this topic and his attempts to silence critisism of his beloved 360 only lead to more discussion which is absolutely not in the favour of getting the 360 a more reliable image.

@Bmaker: stop trying to convince Rocketpig of the fact that the Wii and PS3 have good games which he can play on a console that actually functions. Guys like him are the sole reason that MS still haven't fixed the RROD issue because they keep buying the product blindly regardless of quality or functionality. He does have a point, from a software point of view the 360 has a good library and if the quality of their hardware would have been better, I might have had one to this day. However, the quality of their software collection decreases immensely if you have a pc and aren't too fond of Halo or a sporadic rpg. Then Wii, PS3 and PC own them although much of the pc performance is also being raped by MS with their dodgy os, but that's another discussion.

Edit: just pulling your legs, but in all fairness. Looking at the 30 collection and seeing what's multiplatform or released on pc (some even with higher res and added maps) the so called defense point of buying a 360 becomes pretty bleak.


 I'm not trying to convince him that BOTH have good games to play.I'm simply trying to change his mentality that the "PS3 has no games" in comparison to the Wii library. I already admitted that compared to the robust 360 library, the PS3 pales in comparison. But what I was getting at was that the PS3 in comparison to the Wii is about equal. He says "The Wii has at least 3 GREAT games" but I'm sure the three he's referring to are Super Mario Galaxy, Twilight Princess, and Brawl. But guess what? You play a Mario, a Zelda, and a Smash (recently) EVERY generation!!!! I said that in my post, AND I said it was those were quality games that were in the MINORITY. 

However, as much as he wants to deny it, there are GREAT games on the PS3. My top 3 would be Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted, and UT3 (although timed, it has mod support for endless entertainment). And even if Metacritic doesn't have 3 PS3 only games rated 90 or above, there damn sure is a lot more games rated 80 or above on the PS3 than on the Wii. In that sense, you couldn't POSSIBLY say that the"PS3 has no games" unless of course the Wii has no games also. Sure, in your opinion, the Wii has 3 "GREAT" games, but 3 games, a library does not make



I love my 360! All I need to say, I got some games to play, and RRoD is starting to get Highly overrated.



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Metacritic and such are to be taken with a big grain of salt anyway. They always have reviews like official xobox magazine reviews which ofcourse are as biased as can be (same goes for other consoles too btw) and then theres the big sites that are all but free of reviews being bought by big publishers.

Comparing the PS3 to Wii library is silly. Both are excellent consoles with their own unique identity. Comparing 360 to PS3 or even better, pc makes more sense. Looking at the 360 then makes it seem way more pale then either the PS3 or pc library. Especiall if you don like Halo or generic racer or sports game x. Sigh, I might aswell put on my anti flame suit now......... Here come the idiots being offended by my remark.



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If I have to I will post the source from which i am about to quote, but i'm sure some of you have heard it before.
In an interview with the major 360 talking heads, the 360 was quoted as being affected by "Microsoft's own.....design choice"
a 1 billion dollar program was instated for 360 owners for this problem which according to the heads affects "all systems" sold at that time (something like 18 million units) Heads also refer to continued growth due to four big letters "H-A-L-O" (rofl) and say the games will outweigh the rrod design flaw and that they will not issue a recall, but will wait until the gamers send in their systems.
Sounds horrible I know. IMHO i resent any company that expects me to take a loss (not a financial one) for whatever reason. A lot of my friends have 360, so it sucks when i want to play online (since i sold my system and will not support ms any longer), but i bought a ps3, and have several roommates and know some people, so my online experience is not that much hampered.
I agree with you OP, I bought a ps3 and so will my friends soon. Either way, I no longer contribute to a company that should never have released a console in the first place.
A software company should stick with what it knows best and produce games for other hardware companies. Right now we could have had ps3 with all those games developed alongside a Live!like online and controller with the exact amount of buttons.... like a madcatz controller. There is really no difference between the consoles now, except Blu-ray.
I don't mean to hate on 360. I have had one since launch, until 4 months ago. Sent in my console 4 times. the 6 months i have not been able to play any games and my college-esque bankruptcy means i require something to do in my free time that is low cost. VGames are my outlet, not having them sucks. 360 gave me months of headache, and no stress outlet.

EDIT: I said 6 months because I am a busy person. I work full time and go to school full time. I don't have time to wait around for deliveries, and sometimes don't even have time to scratch my butt let alone bring a package to the post office. When it died the third time I went without for about 3 weeks before i sent it in. Instead I played DS. Even if i had sent them in without delay, 2-3 months is an eternity.



BMaker11 said:
Gazz said:
rocketpig said:
BCNR34 said:
Legend11 said:


 


 


Then again, the 360 is without a doubt the console with the most hardware issues. What Legend and Rocketpig (2 people who are not ashamed to say they prefer the 360) may consider trolling, may be considered discussing the apparent issues that keep being unsolved by MS to this very day. The reason why the 360 gets dissed this much is because the problems tha are being discussed are real. This isn't a "I have a link from 2006 where a bunch of 360's overheated" discussion, but one that is valid on this very day.

In all fairness, the fact that Legend jumped on the issue lead to the creation of this topic and his attempts to silence critisism of his beloved 360 only lead to more discussion which is absolutely not in the favour of getting the 360 a more reliable image.

@Bmaker: stop trying to convince Rocketpig of the fact that the Wii and PS3 have good games which he can play on a console that actually functions. Guys like him are the sole reason that MS still haven't fixed the RROD issue because they keep buying the product blindly regardless of quality or functionality. He does have a point, from a software point of view the 360 has a good library and if the quality of their hardware would have been better, I might have had one to this day. However, the quality of their software collection decreases immensely if you have a pc and aren't too fond of Halo or a sporadic rpg. Then Wii, PS3 and PC own them although much of the pc performance is also being raped by MS with their dodgy os, but that's another discussion.

Edit: just pulling your legs, but in all fairness. Looking at the 30 collection and seeing what's multiplatform or released on pc (some even with higher res and added maps) the so called defense point of buying a 360 becomes pretty bleak.


 I'm not trying to convince him that BOTH have good games to play.I'm simply trying to change his mentality that the "PS3 has no games" in comparison to the Wii library. I already admitted that compared to the robust 360 library, the PS3 pales in comparison. But what I was getting at was that the PS3 in comparison to the Wii is about equal. He says "The Wii has at least 3 GREAT games" but I'm sure the three he's referring to are Super Mario Galaxy, Twilight Princess, and Brawl. But guess what? You play a Mario, a Zelda, and a Smash (recently) EVERY generation!!!! I said that in my post, AND I said it was those were quality games that were in the MINORITY. 

However, as much as he wants to deny it, there are GREAT games on the PS3. My top 3 would be Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted, and UT3 (although timed, it has mod support for endless entertainment). And even if Metacritic doesn't have 3 PS3 only games rated 90 or above, there damn sure is a lot more games rated 80 or above on the PS3 than on the Wii. In that sense, you couldn't POSSIBLY say that the"PS3 has no games" unless of course the Wii has no games also. Sure, in your opinion, the Wii has 3 "GREAT" games, but 3 games, a library does not make


Which ones? I'm dying to know. Are they exclusive? Uncharted was decent, as was Heavenly Sword. That's all I'm coming up with for exclusive games that made me say "wow" at least once.

18 months into the console's life, I'm still waiting for a GREAT game... Still waiting... 




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rocket,

i believe opinion is not fact.

There are a couple people for whom no 360 game is "wow"



theprof00 said:

rocket,

i believe opinion is not fact.

There are a couple people for whom no 360 game is "wow"


 Fine, let's use Metacritic or Gamerankings then. What PS3 exclusive pulls a number over 90?




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